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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio that now

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here's gene Steinberg with GN Chris

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we're back on the para cast and no since

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we talked to David Politis and JC

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Johnson I have not gone to any national

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forests because I do not want to risk

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disappearing now ladies just notice a

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long silence when I said that because I

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thought you know Chris is saying you

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know what look at this he disappears I

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get the show okay I get the company I

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get the show he's all mine if he

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disappears I don't know about that I

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have nothing in writing we'll have to

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set something up if I did set something

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up I guarantee you he'd give me a free

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ticket to go to some place in Utah or

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somewhere and well speaking of that the

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Jesse Ventura conspiracy theory episode

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on the skinwalker ranch aired and boy

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I'll tell you they sure sanitized it

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they sanitized it how so well I pretty

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much figured out what's going on when

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they finished editing the show about six

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months ago the producer told me it was

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the best show that they did they'd ever

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done for the series and then I get a

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call a couple the show doesn't air for

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eight months

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it was totally you know shelved the

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series the third season come to find out

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that they were forced to re-edit the

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skinwalker episode skinwalker ranch

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episode and my guess is that and he was

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not happy about it I should add

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he said now the show is only good before

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it was great well I think I figured out

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what happened I think big lo who did

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appear on the show obviously in order to

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use his likeness and his

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words he would have had to have signed a

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release for him my guess is that Bigelow

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said hey I want to see the edit and then

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I get to take out whatever I don't like

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about it and a veto power then I do have

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a sense that certain certain things were

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taken out including yours truly I was

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not I was hardly used at all I have

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about I don't know maybe a dozen words

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from a two two-hour interview Ryan

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Skinner who we've had on the show also

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was pretty much left out of this segment

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we were the ones that gave all the

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descriptions of the activity that

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occurred up on the ranch over the years

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some in the book hunt for the skin

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marker some not including Ryan's own

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personal experiences and one thing I

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noticed they never ID'd any where close

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to where the ranch was they never

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mentioned hunt for the skinwalker they

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never really mentioned the type of

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activities that have been reported up

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there all that was left on the editing

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room floor and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna

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get confirmation of that from the

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producer well I have a call in to from

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the production company that did the show

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so once again you know it looks like the

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powers that be are able to to use their

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their money power and influence to

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sanitize information that I think we all

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have a right to know and their premise

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at the end of the show was that Biglow

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is putting his space hotel orbiting the

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earth are the only private satellites in

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space objects that are orbiting the

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earth are owned by Bigelow and they

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should they say at the end that that's

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that's going to be his escape pod for

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when the aliens attack the earth okay so

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he expects the aliens to attack earth we

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don't know about skinwalker ranch that's

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on the Qt but isn't this kind of

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something you've had problems with you

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did a segment for the UFO Hunters Show

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and you were talking about all the stuff

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you've investigated which they moved to

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another state right yeah in this case

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they just left me on the editing room

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floor which is okay their check cleared

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the bank you know I was a little nervous

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about some of the things that I said

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they didn't use any of it they were

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giddy and excited jumping up and down

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interview saying this is great they

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loved Ryan's stand-up that he did and

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all of it was left on the floor now I

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have to recall something here a while

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back this is two three four years ago

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bill burns comes to Phoenix and they're

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doing a segment on the Phoenix lights

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and I'm my next burn the Phoenix lights

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because when the Phoenix lights occurred

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I didn't see them I read about it later

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you know that was just me I was writing

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books about technology at that time all

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right so they record a segment with me

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interviewing bill burns about eight or

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nine minutes

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no never showed up yeah well let's sell

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the cookie crumbles right they decided

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that I guess was not worthy of having my

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voice and likeness appear on the UFO

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Hunters show I mean no one gets paid for

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it anyway so I guess it doesn't matter

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does it

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well I got paid I don't do these things

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anymore without getting paid except for

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your show well there is that but you you

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got paid for that you darn right I did

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well then I guess you have nothing to

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complain about I'm actually kind of

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happy they left me out of the mix that

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it's one thing to you know caress a

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billionaires toes it's another thing to

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stomp on them so you know I might but

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I'm perfectly fine with not being used

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in the segment I think it it would have

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been much stronger if they had actually

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dove into some of the activity that had

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been documented up there but a you know

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water under the bridge what can you do

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is there still hope we'll get the sons

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of Jesse Ventura and Oliver Stone on our

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show I have a call in to the producer

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among the things that I want to discuss

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is extending an invitation to Ty and

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Shawn yes all right I guess we could

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hope for that yeah that'd be good look

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it will get the real skinny we can ask

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them hey guys why did this end up on the

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cutting room floor or do they want to

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tell us and why did the network force

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you to re-edit what the producer said

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was the best

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segment the best show they'd ever done

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and it was great and he said now it's

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only good we had to take a bunch of

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things out now is that the only episode

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that had so many things taken out I am

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Not sure I think there may have been one

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other possibly too and and this is what

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held the show up for eight months from

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being from being aired you know the

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actual conspiracy theory series was

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delayed eight months oh boy

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so you know its power and influence

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dictates the level of the level and

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quality of information that's being

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relayed out to the American people and

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I'm a little disappointed in Jesse for

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allowing this to happen I think you know

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it's a little disingenuous to have a

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show on conspiracy theory and then allow

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the subject of your show to dictate what

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you put out there because you know

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Bigelow had to sign a release form and

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there's no way that he would have given

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blanket permission to use his likeness

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if he had didn't have a clause in there

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that would allow him to demand certain

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chant and just be made so I'm pretty

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sure that's what happened if I had to

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guess I'm pretty sure that's what

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happened so we'll see

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I'll have an update for everybody after

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I talked to the executive producer of

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the program who is with one of the heads

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of the production company we look

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forward to hearing what happens to see

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what happens and why whether they're

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going to admit publicly how this all

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turned out and what decisions were made

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yeah well I'm gonna put a little heat on

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them what you're gonna hear today on the

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power cast by the way we're not going to

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censor I don't think we've ever censored

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an episode I mean we do a little bit of

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shave and haircut kind of

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post-production where we clean it up a

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little bit but that's about it maybe we

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eliminate one of the seven words that

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occasionally are used but that's it we

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have a return visitor today

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yeah we do Gary David's coming back he

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has a new book out called star shrines

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and earthworks of the desert Southwest

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Gary a course was

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the principle team members who actually

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came up with the idea of going to the

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confluence of the Little Colorado and

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Colorado rivers that we talked about

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with Jacey Johnson on the show a couple

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of months back and Geary is an archaeon

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Amir that has just uncovered some

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amazing correlations between sacred

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sites and village sites of the ancient

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hopi and how they perfectly line up with

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constellations in the in the sky he's

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come up with some more really

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interesting information in this book I

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think we're gonna get into a little bit

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about Hopi prophecy and some of the

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stranger things that he's encountered in

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his research and investigations out on

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the in the desert southwest of the

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all that stuff but it looks like not

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only was Chris sort of on a TV show this

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past few days I say sort of because of

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the fact that they put so much of what

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he did in the cutting room floor

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but you Gary were also on a show tell us

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about that yes the show was called 2012

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the coming apocalypse and it was on the

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History Channel and I saw the the promo

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for it on the website and there were the

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this couple clutching each other and

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they both wore gas masks and I thought

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oh no here it comes

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and my my suspicions were confirmed it

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was you know just dire everything dire

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about Hopi prophecies just massive

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violence and destruction at every you

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know every shot and then they'd come

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back to me talking about Hopi prophecy

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and you know rather frightening things

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in their prophecies and you know I I

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tried to stress to the producer please

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try to get something positive about the

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Hopi transition from the fourth world to

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the fifth world and well he did it was

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it lasted about ten seconds right at the

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end of the show but everything you can

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imagine asteroids nuclear war comets

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just any kind of mass-destruction you

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can imagine Gary if you're a conspiracy

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theorist you were in conspiracy heaven

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with this thing undoubtedly yeah you

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pick your picture poison you know on

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that show how the world will end and

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then of course they had a survivalist

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couple in Illinois it was a whole family

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really a very suburban family you know

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preparing for the end of the world and

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it was just over the top all the way

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well did you read about the the Russian

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government having to come out to Olay

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people's fears about the coming end of

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the world that there's this huge wave of

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almost hysteria sweeping through Russia

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people are making all sorts of money on

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preparation supplies which always

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include a bottle of vodka I noticed what

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is there about the bottle of vodka that

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enhances one survivability or is it that

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if you drink enough vodka you won't care

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I think it's a combination of that plus

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you can use it as a disinfectant for the

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the horrible leak lesions that will

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break out from the apocalyptic plagues

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that are going to be sweeping through

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humankind or something I guess it's a

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good topical topical anesthetic it keeps

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you warm when the power goes out and you

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lose your eyes you know these for a

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couple of days you know well so you

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weren't very happy about about the the

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spin huh well let's let's talk about

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Hopi prophecy for a bit it's a

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fascinating subject you know a lot about

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it I'm very interested in that subject

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as well you have a very good chapter in

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your new book that that really breaks it

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down I think admirably probably the best

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look at this subject that I've ever seen

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in terms of you know just real cut and

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dried information let's talk about Hopi

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prophecy starting at the beginning and

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and I you know I realize you're not a

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Hopi so you can't really be definitive

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in some of the things that you say but

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but I'll tell you for the amount of

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reach

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that you've done you are one of the few

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people that really have a leg up on that

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subject well I think the Hopi have what

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might be called a legacy of prophecy

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it's so pervasive in their culture and

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they've they've had these prophecies for

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generations and they've been passed down

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and there's so many different strands

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and so many different elders giving

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conflicting prophecies that sometimes

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you know pretty confusing course Frank

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waters in in Boca Popey it came out with

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a number of dire prophecies in in the in

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the 60s with with his book and this kind

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of started the ball rolling but I think

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the Hopi you know the the prime prophecy

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was probably the gourd of ashes falling

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on the earth there the elders were

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talking about this Gorda bashes for for

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hundreds of years perhaps when this

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finally happened in 1945 that Hiroshima

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and Nagasaki the Hopi elders many of

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them based in the village of Hope villa

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on the third Mesa they started to come

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forth with some of these prophecies dan

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kizomba was a was one of the main meant

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elders there and and they had a

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newsletter talking about these these

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prophecies so it really started going in

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the 60s in the 70s the prophecies were

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brought out to the world at large and

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the world started to take notice of the

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Hopi people in general you know before

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that time there wasn't too much other

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than a few ethnographers in the late

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19th century in early 20th century there

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there wasn't too much attention paid to

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the Hopi until they started to bring

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forth these prophecies so it's a

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politically correct you can't get

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attention unless you have some

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prophecies to go along with whatever

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you're trying to sell well I guess

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that's the way it works in the media

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culture like this you know you you know

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of course the Maya have similar

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prophecies and the the Popol Vuh there

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major texts that deal with a lot of

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these prophecies that that paralleled

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with the Hopi prophecies and you know

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the the prophesies are varied in both

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cultures are a lot of different signs at

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the end of the age or the the Hopi

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fourth world is the ending and you know

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we could talk about some of the specific

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signs if you want to yeah let's go ahead

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didn't Thomas Ben Janka go to the UN on

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a couple of occasions and give that

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August body

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warnings that we're we're approaching

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tenuous times yo Thomas Ponca and others

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other in fact the Hopi sent four

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different delegations to the UN and this

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is one of the the prophecies that has

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been passed down the Hopi will go to the

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house of Micah four times and plea for

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peace but they will be ignored now the

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house of Micah and Micah of course is a

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is a transparent and mineral that you

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know it's used sometimes was used for

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glass

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you know the settlers used Micah as

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Windows for Windows but this house of

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Micah you know the UN building the Hopi

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weren't there four times and they try to

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stress that the world needs to change

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its ways but of course the UN people

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just said well thanks thanks for coming

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folks have a nice day you know the door

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hit your backside on the way out there

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promise yeah so let's let's let's go

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ahead and talk about Hopi prophecy and

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and and let's give our listeners a sense

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of kind of a I guess a synthesized view

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of what these prophesies are there and

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as you mentioned there are a number of

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them there are some that kind of

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conflict with one another but I think

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you've done a good job coming up with a

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with a consensus version of them let's

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let's go ahead and and start ticking

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them off before we take off before our

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sponsors get ticked off which of course

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we don't want to happen because

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otherwise we're not going to be in

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business we have Gary David and we're

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focusing now on Hopi prophecies with

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Gene and Kris you're in the

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the east but we are still in the eye of

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the perfect storm the most devastating

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economic conditions since the Great

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trading my freedom for food I'm taking

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information and you are listening to the

602
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podcast Hopi prophecies and then some

603
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lots of interesting fascinating stuff to

604
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discuss for this session with Gary David

605
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Chris raised the issue Gary your

606
00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:23,980
response like I say there are a lot of

607
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:26,620
different prophecies we could focus on

608
00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:29,590
what I found really interesting was the

609
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white feather prophecies these are

610
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specific nine specific prophecies a

611
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white feather he was an elder from the

612
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bear clan and this minister was driving

613
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across Arizona in the summer of 1958 and

614
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white feather was walking along the road

615
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and David young the minister stopped to

616
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pick up white feather give him a ride

617
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and they they were in the car and they

618
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they probably sat in silence for a while

619
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you know and and the Indians are not

620
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uncomfortable with silence

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unlike non-indians or some non-indians

622
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anyway eventually white feathers started

623
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:15,340
to open up and say that while his sons

624
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:17,770
were all dead and he was soon to pass on

625
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to the spirit world and he wanted to

626
00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:21,970
pass on these things that his

627
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:24,190
grandfather's had told him these

628
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:27,700
prophecies these signs that the fourth

629
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:32,400
world would end and some of the signs

630
00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:36,250
have come to pass for instance the first

631
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:39,550
sign was the people with white skin

632
00:28:46,919 --> 00:28:43,410
would come to the Hopi land and bring

633
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sticks that struck like thunder and of

634
00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:49,630
course these are the rifles that the

635
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:52,630
white man brought I know the prophecy

636
00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:55,150
was there would be spinning wheels

637
00:29:00,930 --> 00:28:57,940
filled with voices and you can interpret

638
00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:00,940
this in a number of ways it might be the

639
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:03,700
spinning wheels that that wagons you can

640
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:06,640
look at a wagon wheel spinning and it's

641
00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:08,830
kind of worse like that or

642
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or there might be a modern-day car you

643
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:14,290
know so that's another one of the

644
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:17,710
prophecies that have come to pass and

645
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then another prophecy was a beast that

646
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:23,890
looked like a buffalo but had great long

647
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:26,950
horns would come and overrun the land in

648
00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:28,990
large numbers and of course the long

649
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,470
horn cattle as would fit that that

650
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,200
description pretty well another prophecy

651
00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:38,080
that whitefeather told the Minister

652
00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:41,320
David young snakes of iron would

653
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:44,800
crisscross the land and this the snakes

654
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:46,060
of iron of course are the railroad

655
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:49,510
tracks that draught the the white men to

656
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:53,440
the west um a further prophecy a giant

657
00:29:59,550 --> 00:29:56,530
spider's web will encompass the whole

658
00:30:02,340 --> 00:29:59,560
land will be you know will be covered

659
00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:02,350
with a giant spider's web at the end of

660
00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:05,020
the fourth world and this happened in

661
00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:07,660
the 19th century with the Telegraph now

662
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:09,880
power lines and telephone lines and and

663
00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:11,590
now of course we have the internet the

664
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World Wide Web an actual spider's web of

665
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:18,700
communication that we use to talk all

666
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:20,650
around the world so a lot of these

667
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:23,850
things are coming to pass as we speak

668
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:27,010
one particular one in that happened

669
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:30,850
recently in the summer of 2010 the

670
00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:33,370
prophecy was that the sea would turn

671
00:30:37,890 --> 00:30:35,380
black and many of the creatures in it

672
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:37,900
would die and of course the Gulf oil

673
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:42,370
spill was all about that and in 2010

674
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:45,250
indeed the sea turned black and a lot of

675
00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:47,170
the marine lives perished

676
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:49,300
one thing about prophecies though

677
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:51,010
sometimes we have to look at this and

678
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:53,530
say are we stretching the meaning you

679
00:30:58,620 --> 00:30:56,380
know we're taking something that's very

680
00:31:00,150 --> 00:30:58,630
general and we understand if you're

681
00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:00,160
trying to predict something that maybe

682
00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:01,270
hasn't been invented yet

683
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:03,460
you're not going to be as specific as

684
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:05,650
maybe we are in today's scientifically

685
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,950
oriented Society but the key is here and

686
00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:10,480
some of the skeptics will say you know

687
00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:12,400
what what you're doing here is you are

688
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:15,160
manipulating these prophecies very

689
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:16,810
general to make them look like there's

690
00:31:22,770 --> 00:31:20,320
something specific mm-hmm yeah well the

691
00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:22,780
hopi and other native peoples

692
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:25,720
they speak in a symbolic language in the

693
00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:28,450
in the language of symbols as you know

694
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:30,820
if you read if you read any poetry or

695
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:33,610
poetic language that can be interpreted

696
00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:37,510
in a number of ways it's not it's not a

697
00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:40,660
prophecy is not empirical science and I

698
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:42,790
think we want to try to you know there's

699
00:31:49,470 --> 00:31:46,090
an art and art to interpreting prophecy

700
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:49,480
as well as just try to divine the

701
00:31:57,420 --> 00:31:52,510
meaning logically I mean you have to

702
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:57,430
kind of see what's BS and what what

703
00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:00,880
rings true to you and I think everybody

704
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:04,300
has to do that for him or herself to

705
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:06,370
ensure yeah

706
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:08,530
the Hopi of themselves are the ones that

707
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:11,130
are interpreting these modern

708
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:14,320
fulfillments of very old prophecy

709
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:15,850
they're the ones that are coming up

710
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,410
actually with the with the attributions

711
00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:22,080
one prophecy that you hear a lot about

712
00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:26,140
in the New Age community is the the Blue

713
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:29,080
Star Kachina prophecy now this is not

714
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:31,020
from the original white feather

715
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:34,090
collection of prophecies but there have

716
00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:37,210
been mentions up at Hopi including

717
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:40,540
grandfather Martin I think Thomas Baraka

718
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:42,610
mentioned the blue Blue Star Kachina I

719
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:44,260
always thought that this was something

720
00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:48,370
that was not really part of the original

721
00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:51,550
prophecies but somehow it seems that the

722
00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:53,140
Hopi have embraced this particular

723
00:33:00,120 --> 00:32:57,190
aspect of Hopi prophecy what do you know

724
00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:00,130
about the Blue Star Kachina where this

725
00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:02,980
particular thing may have originated and

726
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:05,980
and what are the hopi thinking about

727
00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:09,610
this right now um well it's hard to say

728
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:12,070
what the Hopi think because you know

729
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:14,290
when you say the Hopi that's really a

730
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:17,130
misnomer and a lot of people are

731
00:33:22,170 --> 00:33:19,720
confused by this because the Hopi are

732
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:22,180
really not a monolithic tribe they're a

733
00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:26,290
a number of clans that came together at

734
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:28,300
the center of the world those three Hopi

735
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:31,860
mesas that the Hopi currently live on

736
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:34,420
Hopi according to the Hopi wit hope he

737
00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:36,190
means the people so well

738
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:39,430
well yeah but a lot of a lot of Native

739
00:33:44,610 --> 00:33:42,070
American groups designate themselves as

740
00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:44,620
the people you know and in their own

741
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:48,070
language you know so I don't know if we

742
00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:50,950
are all Hopi you know I think that would

743
00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:55,150
be maybe stretching it a little bit but

744
00:33:59,760 --> 00:33:57,070
as far as the Blue Star Kachina you know

745
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:59,770
the the first that I've heard of this

746
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:02,100
was in Frank waters book you know the

747
00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:06,640
sock was so who it's called and the blue

748
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,590
star would appear in the heavens

749
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:10,720
now many interpretations of what the

750
00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:14,770
blue star is some say it hasn't appeared

751
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:18,190
yet others say that it was Hale Bopp

752
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:22,660
back in March of 1997 and um the

753
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:25,810
brilliant blue comet that streaked

754
00:34:31,350 --> 00:34:29,290
across the sky and at the same time you

755
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:31,360
know many people were out watching this

756
00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:33,850
comet when the Phoenix lights appeared

757
00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:36,790
you know thousands of people saw the

758
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:40,140
Phoenix lights and but the the blue star

759
00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:43,210
appears in the heavens and apparently

760
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:46,630
the Blue Star Kachina takes off his mask

761
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:51,040
and this will signal the end of all hope

762
00:34:58,110 --> 00:34:54,250
you ceremonies the the whole ceremonial

763
00:35:01,860 --> 00:34:58,120
cycle will cease at that point so that's

764
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:01,870
but that's the basic story and you know

765
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:04,690
I I don't know whether you can give this

766
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:07,180
particular story a lot of credence or

767
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:09,430
not I mean I kind of take it with a

768
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:12,900
grain of salt myself a lot of people

769
00:35:21,090 --> 00:35:17,920
said Lutton some hopi say that the main

770
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:21,100
informant for Frank waters a white bear

771
00:35:25,770 --> 00:35:23,830
Frederick's was not a true Hopi he

772
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:25,780
didn't have the true hopi knowledge he

773
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:29,500
wasn't part of the spiritual hidden

774
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:32,310
having a client affiliation that was

775
00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:35,290
part of the spiritual clan the bear clan

776
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:38,470
for instance so um you know he really

777
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:42,550
was not talking the true Hopi way so you

778
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:45,310
know I I think Frank waters work is

779
00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:49,270
useful but I don't you know that's a lot

780
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,080
of people's

781
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:53,200
that's that's the book of the Hopi you

782
00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:56,110
know the one source you can go to but I

783
00:36:00,510 --> 00:35:58,390
don't think that's really true so so

784
00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:00,520
there may be disinformation assaulted

785
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:02,260
through that that work then that's what

786
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:05,260
your just ensure yeah and I've heard

787
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:07,930
from some Hopi say that well this guy

788
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:10,590
white bear he was kind of loud and

789
00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:14,110
ostentatious and very non Hopi you know

790
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:17,320
that he was gregarious and you know just

791
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:20,110
kind of not that the typical Hopi

792
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,090
character that that you associate with

793
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:24,400
with the Hopi people I'll tell you what

794
00:36:28,170 --> 00:36:25,690
we're going to explore the Hopi and the

795
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:28,180
prophesies and what might happen later

796
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:30,610
this month which means of course that if

797
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:32,170
the world ends there'll be no more

798
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:34,540
episodes of the power cast from this

799
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:35,050
world

800
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Gary David joins Jean and Kris you're in

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821
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852
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865
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[Music]

888
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:14,690
with Dean and Chris we're exploring

889
00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:19,410
ancient or modern day Hopi legends with

890
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,230
Gary hey David Gary I guess I'll ask

891
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:24,800
that question what's being said about

892
00:41:31,850 --> 00:41:28,080
December 2012 anything in Hopi tradition

893
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:31,860
that causes us to be concerned well

894
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:35,940
every December the hopi do the winter

895
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:39,240
solstice ceremony and I'm sure that the

896
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:41,250
spiritual Hopi will be down in their

897
00:41:48,310 --> 00:41:45,540
kiba's on that date performing the soil

898
00:41:51,830 --> 00:41:48,320
ceremony they do that every every year

899
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:51,840
more or less to bring the Sun back to

900
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,570
Hopi land you know the Sun creeps a

901
00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:57,180
little farther south on the horizon as

902
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:00,840
it rises every day from the vernal

903
00:42:06,350 --> 00:42:03,510
equinox onward to the to the winter

904
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:06,360
solstice first day of winter and the

905
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:10,470
Hopi are try to bring bring the Sun back

906
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,560
with this particular ceremony and it's

907
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:15,300
interesting a side note here it's

908
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:18,450
interesting that this winter solstice

909
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:21,510
ceremony is synchronized by the

910
00:42:28,070 --> 00:42:25,680
constellation Orion as it appears in the

911
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:28,080
overhead hatchway of a Kiva and the

912
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:32,040
kiba's an underground communal prayer

913
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:37,050
chamber so they start this winter

914
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:40,170
solstice ceremony this solar ceremony

915
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:43,140
when over on the belt stars of Orion up

916
00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:46,200
here in the overhead hatch way of the

917
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:48,360
Kiva so I think that that's quite

918
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:53,580
interesting that a stellar configuration

919
00:43:02,090 --> 00:42:58,500
starts this solar ceremony but anyway

920
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:02,100
the Hopi are never specific about the

921
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:03,780
end of the fourth world or that

922
00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:05,850
particular date that that really has no

923
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:09,870
meaning in the Hopi culture you know the

924
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:12,540
Maya are were obsessed and

925
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,180
to some extent still are obsessed with

926
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:17,760
time with their a Long Count calendar

927
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:20,970
which is no longer used and the the

928
00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:24,300
shorter 260 dates olkin calendar which

929
00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:27,590
is still used by the Manya & dum-dum I

930
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:32,100
have determined you know thousands and

931
00:43:37,070 --> 00:43:34,380
millions of years in the past and the

932
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:37,080
future with their calendars they they

933
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:40,530
foresee dates incredibly a far into the

934
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:42,630
future and incredibly far into the past

935
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:44,730
you know I have to ask a question here

936
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:47,250
why so many calendars isn't one more

937
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:49,410
than enough you know you'd have to ask

938
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:52,680
the Maya that it's it's a very complex

939
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:57,260
system of interlocking calendars that

940
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,640
none of them and either by the way it's

941
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:01,920
like saying our calendar ends sure yeah

942
00:44:08,330 --> 00:44:04,740
it's it's a cycle we're at the end of

943
00:44:13,580 --> 00:44:08,340
the 13th baktun right now coming up and

944
00:44:16,190 --> 00:44:13,590
that's a 5125 year cycle that you know

945
00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:16,200
will will repeat it will just keep going

946
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:18,780
and that's where a lot of these doom and

947
00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:21,420
gloom shows try to pipe the whole thing

948
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:23,100
and say that the world is going to end

949
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:25,619
well of course these shows have to

950
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:27,150
realize if you say the world's going to

951
00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:29,970
end your show is going to end and you're

952
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,320
not going to have to worry about any

953
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:32,880
more listeners so why predict that

954
00:44:37,070 --> 00:44:35,490
except to get immediate ratings you want

955
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:37,080
to get ratings for that show hey we can

956
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:38,700
prove the world is going to end folks

957
00:44:42,859 --> 00:44:40,680
and here's all the evidence and here's

958
00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:42,869
the Mayan prophecies in this prophecy

959
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,580
and that prophecy in this calendar and

960
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,440
by the way tune in to next week's

961
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,200
episode and next month's episode after

962
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:51,119
the world and silicon sell you more

963
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:53,670
stuff from our advertisers and predict

964
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:56,640
more disasters yeah well I think a lot

965
00:45:02,690 --> 00:44:59,640
of it has to do with the judeo-christian

966
00:45:05,660 --> 00:45:02,700
slant I mean a lot of people are have

967
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:05,670
this idea of a book of Revelation and

968
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,270
end times and whether they're about

969
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:11,460
Christian or not it's kind of been

970
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:15,180
planted in our our psyches growing up in

971
00:45:21,590 --> 00:45:18,660
the West here that a revelation might be

972
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:21,600
about the end of this world that coming

973
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:25,680
very soon and of course the evangelicals

974
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,160
are rushing to embrace this whole thing

975
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:31,200
and trash the earth in the process

976
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:33,690
because it's not gonna matter well then

977
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:34,770
you don't have to worry about global

978
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:35,970
warming you know that's an interesting

979
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:37,910
question here man-made global warming

980
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:40,470
what do the Hopi say of anything about

981
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:44,280
that well I think the Hopi um as far as

982
00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:45,180
I can tell

983
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:48,870
connect natural disasters and climate

984
00:45:57,230 --> 00:45:52,500
change and tsunamis and earthquakes it's

985
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,240
all part of the way humans are treating

986
00:46:02,990 --> 00:45:59,940
the earth it's it's all connected it's

987
00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:03,000
because of our actions on this on this

988
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:05,820
earth it's not just random weather

989
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,200
events that are causing it's because of

990
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:12,960
human corruption and dissolution and

991
00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:17,220
devolution and just and it's happened

992
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:20,670
before in in hopi culture this is you

993
00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:22,140
know happened three times before

994
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:24,990
according to the Hopi so they look at

995
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:27,330
this rather philosophically and say well

996
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,210
yeah the humankind is just kind of

997
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:33,440
devolving and getting more corrupt and

998
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:36,930
cliana squat see is the term life yeah

999
00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:39,890
life in chaos life out of balance and

1000
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,600
you know the the Hopi are all about

1001
00:46:46,850 --> 00:46:44,700
balance that's why they do their

1002
00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:46,860
ceremonies that's their whole role as

1003
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:49,320
they see themselves in a global sense

1004
00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:53,070
they are literally keeping the world in

1005
00:47:01,630 --> 00:46:58,310
balance by doing their ceremonies and

1006
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:01,640
the ceremonies are gradually being

1007
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:06,690
eroded by various things the the outside

1008
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:12,330
world the materialism you know it's you

1009
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:14,430
can see it happening on the reservation

1010
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:17,880
you know some of the some of the people

1011
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,660
hope you people embrace technology and

1012
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:24,720
have electricity and water to their

1013
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:28,680
house and and other villages refuse to

1014
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:32,210
do this so it's a kind of a mixed bag on

1015
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:36,420
in Hopi land even the Hopi are not

1016
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:39,010
united in this in this way

1017
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:40,930
and of course there's always been this

1018
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:43,630
struggle between the progressives that

1019
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:46,510
want to bring in all the stuff that the

1020
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:49,079
white men can offer and the

1021
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:51,880
traditionalists who carry on these

1022
00:47:56,970 --> 00:47:54,310
prophecies and try to do the ceremonies

1023
00:48:00,300 --> 00:47:56,980
and try to perform the Kachina dances as

1024
00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:00,310
as as as close to what their their

1025
00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:03,400
grandfathers taught them as possible so

1026
00:48:09,089 --> 00:48:06,790
it's um it's it's a very it's a struggle

1027
00:48:12,569 --> 00:48:09,099
constant struggle to keep this

1028
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:12,579
ceremonial cycle going because it takes

1029
00:48:18,690 --> 00:48:15,670
a lot of effort just a physical effort

1030
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:18,700
and you have to make prayer for others

1031
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:22,180
and plan ahead and you have to even the

1032
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:24,730
food you have to get the the feast ready

1033
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:27,910
to feed the people so it's a lot of a

1034
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:30,010
lot of energy that the rest of us don't

1035
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:32,530
have to worry about got they're trying

1036
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:34,660
desperately to keep the the culture

1037
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:37,690
going keep the language teach the young

1038
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,700
people of the Hopi language and that's

1039
00:48:44,849 --> 00:48:42,160
harder to do when they're staring at

1040
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:44,859
their video games and you know they're

1041
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:48,130
they're are texting on their iPhones

1042
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:51,130
it's really it's it's a hard thing to do

1043
00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:53,950
to keep the hopi light going you know

1044
00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:55,390
it's interesting here it's almost like

1045
00:49:01,020 --> 00:48:58,150
the problems face I guess by the Amish

1046
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,030
where they wanted their traditional

1047
00:49:07,230 --> 00:49:03,520
lifestyle but more and more people leave

1048
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:07,240
that and associate with quote unquote

1049
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:10,810
the English yeah I never thought of it

1050
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:12,250
that way but yeah I guess you're right

1051
00:49:19,319 --> 00:49:15,130
on that you know they're living very

1052
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:19,329
similar types of lives and they a lot of

1053
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:22,150
them think that that the technology

1054
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:24,970
tends to take them away from the ways of

1055
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:28,630
the Creator and you know you you see

1056
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,569
this embodied in prophecy rock which is

1057
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:35,920
located on the Hopi reservation these

1058
00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:39,940
two paths that that we can take in this

1059
00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:44,200
in this world and you know we can get

1060
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:46,390
into prophecy rock if you want to in

1061
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:51,670
description of it it's Patrick

1062
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:54,640
reservation and yeah go for it

1063
00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,380
yeah yeah I was there round last last

1064
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:02,800
summer and and we did a ceremony a corn

1065
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:05,680
pollen ceremony at prophecy Rock and

1066
00:50:11,850 --> 00:50:08,710
grandfather Martin was there and he

1067
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:11,860
performed the ceremony and he was a very

1068
00:50:16,050 --> 00:50:15,760
upbeat about about the fourth world you

1069
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:16,060
know

1070
00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:17,830
transition from the fourth world to the

1071
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,940
fifth and and he he said that you know

1072
00:50:28,290 --> 00:50:24,400
we just have to keep going through this

1073
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:28,300
this hard time he said you know the look

1074
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:30,550
there are basically two different lines

1075
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:34,510
on prophecy Rock and they're diagonally

1076
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:37,570
across the the rock carved and they're

1077
00:50:45,630 --> 00:50:40,450
two parallel lines okay and the lower

1078
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:45,640
line is the line of the one heart that's

1079
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:48,220
the line that is true to the ways of the

1080
00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:52,210
creator and this this line has a figure

1081
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,830
of a Hopi attending corn on it so living

1082
00:51:02,190 --> 00:50:59,440
in the traditional manner there are also

1083
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:02,200
three circles on this particular line

1084
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:04,810
and that corresponds to the three world

1085
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:05,770
shakings

1086
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:08,950
or perhaps three world wars that we'll

1087
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:11,770
have to encounter and there's another

1088
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:13,930
line that's parallel for this above it

1089
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:17,290
and there are some figures holding hands

1090
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:20,350
on this line there are four figures I

1091
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:22,930
believe that are on this line I'll get

1092
00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:24,910
into more detail about what's going on

1093
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:26,980
there Gary David joining gene and Chris

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1130
00:54:03,539 --> 00:53:59,309
welcome back to to the para cast the

1131
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:03,549
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1132
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:11,710
now here's Jane Steinberg okay we had

1133
00:54:16,799 --> 00:54:13,380
Gary David with a lengthy description

1134
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:16,809
would you kind of bring our listeners to

1135
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:19,089
the next stage sure you know I was

1136
00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:21,369
talking about these two lines symbolic

1137
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:24,190
lines two different paths the lower path

1138
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:26,339
is the traditional way of the Hopi

1139
00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:30,400
carved into this rock the Hopi ten corn

1140
00:54:33,959 --> 00:54:31,960
and live close to the earth

1141
00:54:36,809 --> 00:54:33,969
there are humble people and then the

1142
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:36,819
upper line which is parallel to it going

1143
00:54:43,859 --> 00:54:39,910
off towards the right has a number of

1144
00:54:47,729 --> 00:54:43,869
figures in it on it located this line

1145
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:47,739
ends in a zigzag it just it just stops

1146
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,130
and the zigzag goes up and then it just

1147
00:54:56,279 --> 00:54:54,160
stops like it stops in midair and this

1148
00:54:58,890 --> 00:54:56,289
is the way that the the fourth world

1149
00:55:02,789 --> 00:54:58,900
will end if we keep if we keep on this

1150
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:02,799
path now the lower line continues around

1151
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:06,160
the side of the rock and it's

1152
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:08,049
interesting that grandfather Martin

1153
00:55:14,249 --> 00:55:11,529
talks about this this line continuing

1154
00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:14,259
along the side of the rock it doesn't

1155
00:55:18,959 --> 00:55:16,660
stop like the upper line and he said

1156
00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:18,969
sometimes he can go to prophecy rock and

1157
00:55:24,690 --> 00:55:22,390
this this line that continues along the

1158
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:24,700
side of the rock is not there anymore

1159
00:55:29,759 --> 00:55:26,950
and then I'll go back the next day and

1160
00:55:32,219 --> 00:55:29,769
it is there so prophecy Rock is

1161
00:55:35,069 --> 00:55:32,229
undergoing constant change

1162
00:55:37,789 --> 00:55:35,079
well grandfather Martin is a caretaker

1163
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:37,799
of this and I've seen him Arion sighs

1164
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:41,049
some of the lines on there okay now we

1165
00:55:45,299 --> 00:55:42,729
say that are you saying the rock is

1166
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:45,309
almost fluid that it's not a constant

1167
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:48,430
set of pictures but it changes from day

1168
00:55:50,609 --> 00:55:48,729
to day

1169
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:50,619
that's what grandfather Martin claims

1170
00:55:55,469 --> 00:55:53,890
that you know this this line this line

1171
00:55:58,589 --> 00:55:55,479
he called it the line of everlasting

1172
00:56:01,950 --> 00:55:58,599
life and sometimes he'll go there and

1173
00:56:03,959 --> 00:56:01,960
the line has kind of faded away other

1174
00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:03,969
times you'll go there and the line is

1175
00:56:08,290 --> 00:56:07,150
back there so it's kind of a mystical

1176
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:08,300
occur

1177
00:56:14,350 --> 00:56:12,290
if indeed it if this is happening it's

1178
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:14,360
kind of a mystery that these lines would

1179
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:16,850
appear and disappear and then reappear

1180
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:19,760
again yeah both both times I've been

1181
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:20,480
there

1182
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:23,030
you can faintly make it out but I could

1183
00:56:27,010 --> 00:56:25,100
I could see with lighting conditions

1184
00:56:29,170 --> 00:56:27,020
up there being the way they are the

1185
00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:29,180
light isn't right that it that line is

1186
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:33,350
very faint so yeah it and that's true

1187
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:34,970
with any petroglyphs I mean if you've

1188
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:37,010
gone petroglyph hunting in the southwest

1189
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:39,380
you know that you could walk by a whole

1190
00:56:43,690 --> 00:56:41,570
panel of petroglyphs and if the light is

1191
00:56:47,260 --> 00:56:43,700
not right you know then you just won't

1192
00:56:50,830 --> 00:56:47,270
see them so you know this this is what

1193
00:56:53,350 --> 00:56:50,840
might be taking place I'm not sure but

1194
00:56:58,720 --> 00:56:53,360
it also might cignoli the tentative

1195
00:57:01,780 --> 00:56:58,730
nosov this everlasting lifeline that he

1196
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:01,790
claims that will bring us into the fifth

1197
00:57:07,210 --> 00:57:05,150
world and you know i interesting you

1198
00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:07,220
know he said this is everlasting life

1199
00:57:13,390 --> 00:57:10,070
and I took a compass and stood with my

1200
00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:13,400
back to the plane where this line goes

1201
00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:16,670
across the side of the rock and I took a

1202
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:19,990
reading with my back to the to this line

1203
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:22,480
looking out towards the eastern horizon

1204
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:25,490
it's the place where this the summer

1205
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,110
solstice sunrise is exactly 60 degrees

1206
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:31,760
azimuth now let me ask you a question

1207
00:57:36,430 --> 00:57:33,770
here is it possible that we're seeing

1208
00:57:39,340 --> 00:57:36,440
these differences or they're reporting

1209
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:39,350
this because of the way the Sun reflects

1210
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,690
upon this rock yeah I think that that

1211
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,520
might be one explanation that that's a

1212
00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:45,920
logical explanation that is you know

1213
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,470
what you would say that that would be

1214
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:50,240
the logical way to do it so like I say

1215
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:54,490
petroglyphs rock carvings can disappear

1216
00:58:00,160 --> 00:57:58,250
you know according to the way the light

1217
00:58:02,650 --> 00:58:00,170
is and you're walking around and you'll

1218
00:58:05,290 --> 00:58:02,660
miss something and you'll walk by the

1219
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:05,300
same place a little later on and and

1220
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:07,460
it's it's back there that's plausible

1221
00:58:11,550 --> 00:58:08,330
yeah

1222
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:11,560
are there photographs of this rock

1223
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:14,390
showing changes or differences that we

1224
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:16,190
could point to because the skeptics are

1225
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:17,330
going to ask for that to say all right

1226
00:58:21,970 --> 00:58:19,970
so someone says that this image is here

1227
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:21,980
today it's gone tomorrow

1228
00:58:26,859 --> 00:58:23,420
maybe it's reflections but can you show

1229
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:26,869
us what it looks like yeah well I have

1230
00:58:32,290 --> 00:58:29,410
some pictures over myself but I've seen

1231
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,300
previous drawings like I'm Frank waters

1232
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,359
book has has a drawing a prophecy Rock

1233
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:38,480
and I tried to compare it with what I

1234
00:58:45,550 --> 00:58:42,050
saw and there is a for instance a

1235
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:45,560
swastika on the rock and also an Iron

1236
00:58:50,859 --> 00:58:48,050
Cross or a Maltese Cross on the rock in

1237
00:58:53,650 --> 00:58:50,869
Frank waters drawing but I did not see

1238
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:53,660
these I did not see these at all this is

1239
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:56,570
a drawing it's not a photo right yeah

1240
00:59:02,080 --> 00:58:58,730
okay so a drawing can and contain

1241
00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:02,090
anything oh yeah sure yeah there are

1242
00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:04,040
plenty of photos of Prophecy rock it's

1243
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:06,320
probably the most famous Hopi petroglyph

1244
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:09,530
actually right and it's it's also much

1245
00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:11,330
to my surprise I found out it's a fairly

1246
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:15,380
recent petroglyph it's thick early 20th

1247
00:59:18,790 --> 00:59:17,570
century or possibly late 19th century

1248
00:59:21,580 --> 00:59:18,800
what do we know about the history of

1249
00:59:23,770 --> 00:59:21,590
that particular carbon I think you're

1250
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:23,780
right Chris because you know I've looked

1251
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:25,490
at a lot of petroglyphs in the southwest

1252
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:29,710
and this looks fairly recent as far as

1253
00:59:39,070 --> 00:59:33,970
patination patination is where you know

1254
00:59:40,990 --> 00:59:39,080
the desert patina kind of darkens

1255
00:59:44,260 --> 00:59:41,000
certain rocks and when you carve into

1256
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:44,270
the rock it's it's so lighter underneath

1257
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:48,850
there's a lighter surfaces is revealed

1258
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:52,609
but this one looks it doesn't look like

1259
00:59:59,070 --> 00:59:56,450
it has much patina on it so I would

1260
01:00:04,120 --> 00:59:59,080
agree it's probably early 20th century

1261
01:00:06,359 --> 01:00:04,130
so and I saw right behind privacy rock I

1262
01:00:11,710 --> 01:00:06,369
saw what looked like much older Patrick

1263
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:11,720
petroglyphs of a clouds and enough

1264
01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:15,770
figure though well how far can we date

1265
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:20,230
these shrines or petroglyphs or whatever

1266
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:23,810
was very hard to date petroglyphs gained

1267
01:00:30,580 --> 01:00:26,480
because I'm you know there's no carbon

1268
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:30,590
dating or carbon you can you more or

1269
01:00:37,550 --> 01:00:35,310
less have to look at the Repat nation

1270
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:37,560
the petroglyph that means that the

1271
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:40,170
desert varnished it's also called that

1272
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:44,930
rocks get after after they're weathered

1273
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:47,700
you know you carve into the rock and you

1274
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:49,290
can see the undersurface and it's

1275
01:00:55,550 --> 01:00:52,380
lighter and then if there is if if

1276
01:00:59,360 --> 01:00:55,560
that's revarnished so to speak by

1277
01:01:02,810 --> 01:00:59,370
natural processes then it will be a very

1278
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:02,820
much older petroglyph and it will be

1279
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:05,520
more eroded so basically you can only

1280
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:08,730
tell by the way it's been eroded and the

1281
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:09,930
amount of patination

1282
01:01:16,580 --> 01:01:13,530
is on on the rock surface is there any

1283
01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:16,590
indication here that possibly some of

1284
01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:18,740
this stuff some of these things you see

1285
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:22,560
we're not drawn by hope ease but by some

1286
01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:24,750
other beings other races higher beings

1287
01:01:32,170 --> 01:01:28,200
whatever um I I don't believe so I think

1288
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:32,180
these are these are Hopi Hopi carvings

1289
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:35,520
the one thing that the strange thing I

1290
01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:38,940
see with prophecy Rock is the

1291
01:01:46,070 --> 01:01:42,030
petroglyphs it's adjacent to it it's

1292
01:01:49,610 --> 01:01:46,080
very interesting it's a disc-shaped

1293
01:01:55,250 --> 01:01:49,620
object and it looks rather mechanical

1294
01:01:57,260 --> 01:01:55,260
and it's right next to prophecy Rock and

1295
01:02:00,380 --> 01:01:57,270
it looks like it looks like a flying

1296
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:00,390
saucer basically and it's much older too

1297
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:02,220
by the way that I have to get a carbon

1298
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,650
yeah I think it's more weather than

1299
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:07,200
prophecy Rock but it's it's hard to say

1300
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:09,540
because like I said I saw a grandfather

1301
01:02:16,490 --> 01:02:14,040
Martin re in size REE carve some of the

1302
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:16,500
lines in prophecy rock when we were

1303
01:02:24,140 --> 01:02:20,160
standing there so he he constantly works

1304
01:02:27,310 --> 01:02:24,150
on prophecy rock whereas I don't believe

1305
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:27,320
he does this other Flying Saucer

1306
01:02:35,530 --> 01:02:32,040
patroclus but grandfather Martin II

1307
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:35,540
tried to explain this this disc shaped

1308
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:38,390
petroglyph in that he said it was a

1309
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:43,530
device or machine or mechanism to so

1310
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:45,450
that people could talk to each other all

1311
01:02:50,849 --> 01:02:48,510
over the world know that that was his

1312
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:50,859
explanation of this particular disk

1313
01:02:57,660 --> 01:02:54,640
shape their saucer shaped petroglyph so

1314
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:57,670
this was basically a communicator yeah

1315
01:03:01,349 --> 01:03:00,160
yeah okay well you gave that with a cell

1316
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:01,359
phone of course or an iPhone or

1317
01:03:05,250 --> 01:03:03,369
something like that well yeah but it's

1318
01:03:08,579 --> 01:03:05,260
it's shaped very much like a flying

1319
01:03:10,579 --> 01:03:08,589
saucer or soar I got the idea it might

1320
01:03:13,170 --> 01:03:10,589
be a sad light or something of some sort

1321
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:13,180
that to be a possibility or maybe they

1322
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:15,220
made it that way so Apple wouldn't sue

1323
01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:17,770
them for patent infringement because you

1324
01:03:23,130 --> 01:03:21,160
know apples sues if the rectangle is the

1325
01:03:25,710 --> 01:03:23,140
wrong shape or something like that so

1326
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:25,720
rectangles and straight lines Apple will

1327
01:03:29,579 --> 01:03:27,369
sue you you can't have Apple suing you

1328
01:03:30,930 --> 01:03:29,589
I'm making light of something it's very

1329
01:03:32,370 --> 01:03:30,940
serious because this is part of

1330
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:32,380
something we've seen around the world

1331
01:03:38,579 --> 01:03:36,130
these strange objects that look like

1332
01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:38,589
spaceships flying ships whatever with

1333
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:40,990
Jean and Chris we have Gary David you're

1334
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,799
in the para cast ray Perkins a reclusive

1335
01:03:55,890 --> 01:03:52,720
veteran burned out from the Gulf War

1336
01:03:58,079 --> 01:03:55,900
lives tortured by relentless perplexing

1337
01:04:00,539 --> 01:03:58,089
nightmares nightmares of a horrific

1338
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:00,549
battle in deep space and of a mysterious

1339
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:02,559
woman suffering an agony for her

1340
01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:05,410
devastated world a woman not yet born

1341
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:10,380
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you're in the para cast we have Gary

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01:08:21,099 --> 01:08:17,210
David exploring all sorts of legends of

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01:08:25,099 --> 01:08:21,109
indigenous peoples the Hopi legends the

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petroglyphs the prophecy Rock little

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objects that look suspiciously like hmm

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aircraft how much of that stuff

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who knows Chris let's just pick up on

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01:08:38,599 --> 01:08:35,910
this and let's move the discussion away

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from the hope is to other legends okay

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well you know when you're talking about

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star shrines and earthworks of the

1436
01:08:46,579 --> 01:08:44,069
desert Southwest it's kind of hard not

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01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,589
to talk about the Hopi because they're

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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:49,440
pretty much responsible for the vast

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01:08:55,820 --> 01:08:52,730
majority I think of these these just

1440
01:08:59,300 --> 01:08:55,830
wonderful sites and locations of course

1441
01:09:01,280 --> 01:08:59,310
in Gary's first book the Orion zone he

1442
01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:01,290
stumbled on a correlation that's that

1443
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:01,980
they still

1444
01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:04,170
fascinating to me and he does address

1445
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:06,900
this somewhat in his his latest work as

1446
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:08,940
well but there is a correlation between

1447
01:09:13,670 --> 01:09:12,060
the constellations and how the array of

1448
01:09:15,260 --> 01:09:13,680
villages and sacred sites were aligned

1449
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,270
on on the planet

1450
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:17,759
in the southwest and there there there

1451
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:19,980
seems to be you know a direct

1452
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:23,190
correlation with with the constellations

1453
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,560
based around the three belt stars of

1454
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:28,560
Orion which in Gary's interpretation

1455
01:09:32,599 --> 01:09:31,020
seems to indicate the the first second

1456
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,609
third Mesa of the Hopi being the belt

1457
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,319
star of Orion

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01:09:38,690 --> 01:09:36,239
why don't you just quickly give our new

1459
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:38,700
listeners a thumbnail sketch of your

1460
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:41,250
archeoastronomy work as it relates to

1461
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:44,100
ancient paleo sites here in the desert

1462
01:09:50,599 --> 01:09:47,970
Southwest sure Chris um I this happened

1463
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:50,609
about 15 years ago that I stumbled

1464
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:54,360
across this this idea I had just

1465
01:09:59,900 --> 01:09:56,370
finished reading a book by Robert Bauval

1466
01:10:03,800 --> 01:09:59,910
and Adrienne Gilbert called the Orion

1467
01:10:05,540 --> 01:10:03,810
mystery and of course they believed they

1468
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:05,550
had three major pyramids on the Giza

1469
01:10:14,060 --> 01:10:09,620
Plateau reflect the belt stars of Orion

1470
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,070
exactly and there's a direct sky ground

1471
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:17,040
correlation between these belt stars

1472
01:10:22,820 --> 01:10:20,310
that most people can recognize in in the

1473
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:22,830
heavens and these three pyramids on the

1474
01:10:30,710 --> 01:10:26,130
Giza Plateau and I was driving up to the

1475
01:10:33,290 --> 01:10:30,720
Hopi mesas in the summer of 1997 and I

1476
01:10:37,220 --> 01:10:33,300
was driving up from the south off the

1477
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:37,230
interstate 40 and ooh gazing up at these

1478
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:40,130
three primary mesas where the Hopi

1479
01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:42,510
settled about oh they settled there

1480
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:46,350
about 1050 1100 AD and started building

1481
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:50,820
Webelos villages on on the mesas and at

1482
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:52,710
the base of the mesas and I was gazing

1483
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,290
up at this Hopi center of the world they

1484
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,960
like to think of this these mesas as the

1485
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:03,120
the center of the cosmos or the center

1486
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:05,130
of the world and I thought well you know

1487
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:06,930
these three mesas up here maybe there's

1488
01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:08,610
an overlying correlation right here in

1489
01:11:12,830 --> 01:11:11,310
Arizona so you know I kind of put that

1490
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:12,840
in the back of my mind and went up and

1491
01:11:18,620 --> 01:11:15,330
watched the Kachina dances in the bill

1492
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:18,630
Plaza and then I got back home and I got

1493
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:20,010
out a sky chart

1494
01:11:28,370 --> 01:11:24,530
and got out a map of Arizona and

1495
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:28,380
compared the two and I realized that not

1496
01:11:34,250 --> 01:11:31,380
only were the belt stars corresponding

1497
01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:34,260
to the three major mesas but there was a

1498
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:36,600
ruin site or village corresponding to

1499
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:38,850
each major star in the constellation

1500
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:42,690
Orion and the the correlation was just

1501
01:11:50,090 --> 01:11:45,690
uncanny it was just almost almost exact

1502
01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:50,100
and other other villages ancient

1503
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:52,980
villages also played into it over in New

1504
01:12:00,620 --> 01:11:56,520
Mexico Chaco Canyon correspondent to the

1505
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:00,630
star Sirius Chaco Canyon of course is

1506
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:04,290
the one of the largest ruin sites in the

1507
01:12:09,620 --> 01:12:07,050
southwest and it corresponding to the

1508
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:09,630
brightest star in the sky this got me

1509
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:12,930
really thinking about this this sky

1510
01:12:19,610 --> 01:12:17,040
ground as above so below phenomenon that

1511
01:12:23,150 --> 01:12:19,620
many ancient cultures and including the

1512
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:23,160
Egyptians apparently constructed their

1513
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:25,920
their temples and their their monuments

1514
01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:28,770
according to the stars in the heaven so

1515
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:31,380
it started beyond this on this journey

1516
01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:34,380
almost of going out to these each of one

1517
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:37,020
of these sites and photographing the

1518
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:40,020
sites and writing a little bit about

1519
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:43,290
each particular site that correspondent

1520
01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:46,110
to a star in the constellation Orion

1521
01:12:52,670 --> 01:12:48,270
well Garrett you've done quite a bit of

1522
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:52,680
work as since then the 1997 looking into

1523
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:54,930
these correlations one of the things

1524
01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:56,610
that I find fascinating about your work

1525
01:13:01,280 --> 01:12:59,400
as well as is the little project that

1526
01:13:04,340 --> 01:13:01,290
you undertake that you undertook a

1527
01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:04,350
couple of years ago looking at the area

1528
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,900
around Grand Canyon and the confluence

1529
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:09,120
of the Little Colorado River and the

1530
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:10,980
Colorado River and we did have JC

1531
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:14,430
Johnson on a few months back and we did

1532
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:15,780
talk about the trip that we took last

1533
01:13:22,730 --> 01:13:19,650
May out to Grand Canyon and to the

1534
01:13:24,980 --> 01:13:22,740
confluence rim but there's been a lot of

1535
01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:24,990
developments in that story since we we

1536
01:13:28,129 --> 01:13:26,760
talked about it why don't we give our

1537
01:13:31,009 --> 01:13:28,139
new listeners a quick thumb

1538
01:13:32,629 --> 01:13:31,019
sketch of of what what you were able to

1539
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,639
ascertain from Google Earth

1540
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:34,800
one day when you're checking out and

1541
01:13:40,549 --> 01:13:37,860
doing a flyover being of the area I'll

1542
01:13:43,969 --> 01:13:40,559
tell you how I came across this this

1543
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:43,979
thing that developed into the the Grand

1544
01:13:51,739 --> 01:13:48,300
Canyon expedition in May of 2012 this

1545
01:13:55,879 --> 01:13:51,749
year I was looking on Google Earth and I

1546
01:13:58,759 --> 01:13:55,889
happen to see an odd-looking rectangle

1547
01:14:01,520 --> 01:13:58,769
and you could tell that this rectangle

1548
01:14:05,389 --> 01:14:01,530
was made by tire tracks okay there are a

1549
01:14:07,969 --> 01:14:05,399
lot of roads in this area where the the

1550
01:14:09,799 --> 01:14:07,979
Little Colorado River flows into the

1551
01:14:13,699 --> 01:14:09,809
main part of the Colorado River in the

1552
01:14:17,689 --> 01:14:13,709
Grand Canyon right next to this one area

1553
01:14:22,009 --> 01:14:17,699
where this confluence as it's called is

1554
01:14:24,049 --> 01:14:22,019
is this huge rectangle like a mile long

1555
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:24,059
and three-quarters of a mile wide and

1556
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:27,110
it's a perfect rectangle that's flanking

1557
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:31,249
flanking the cliff right right by the

1558
01:14:36,919 --> 01:14:34,169
Colorado River I thought well that's

1559
01:14:39,259 --> 01:14:36,929
strange I wonder what the the navajo are

1560
01:14:41,899 --> 01:14:39,269
doing there with making this this

1561
01:14:45,639 --> 01:14:41,909
perfectly straight road and then I also

1562
01:14:50,179 --> 01:14:45,649
saw some what looked like parallel lines

1563
01:14:52,669 --> 01:14:50,189
going off of this rectangle and what

1564
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:52,679
what could these be really what are the

1565
01:14:58,189 --> 01:14:55,679
irrigation you know it just got me going

1566
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:58,199
kind of curious what's out there anyway

1567
01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:01,679
in this place it's very remote very

1568
01:15:08,540 --> 01:15:05,070
beautiful and also it's located very

1569
01:15:11,389 --> 01:15:08,550
close to probably the the most sacred

1570
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:11,399
spot in all of Hopi and Zuni land which

1571
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,820
is the Sipapu or see papponi see papua

1572
01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:17,280
new ma you could call a lot of different

1573
01:15:23,389 --> 01:15:19,860
things that's a place of emergence where

1574
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:23,399
the Hopi and the Zuni came up out of the

1575
01:15:29,299 --> 01:15:26,130
earth from the previous world the third

1576
01:15:31,850 --> 01:15:29,309
world and populated the fourth world

1577
01:15:35,209 --> 01:15:31,860
they climbed up out of this structure

1578
01:15:37,819 --> 01:15:35,219
another this is an actual geological

1579
01:15:39,919 --> 01:15:37,829
structure that you can see on Google

1580
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:39,929
Earth it's located on the north bank of

1581
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,290
the Little Colorado

1582
01:15:46,380 --> 01:15:43,600
about three and a half miles from the

1583
01:15:48,780 --> 01:15:46,390
juncture of the two rivers upstream on

1584
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:48,790
the Little Colorado and it's basically a

1585
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:52,090
travertine dome it's a it's about 75

1586
01:15:59,190 --> 01:15:56,170
feet across a perfect dome shaped a

1587
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,200
structure made out of basically mineral

1588
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:02,080
water that's developed this this dome

1589
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:05,650
shape and in the center of this is a is

1590
01:16:12,150 --> 01:16:09,520
a hole that goes down into this dome and

1591
01:16:15,210 --> 01:16:12,160
the people came up from from the third

1592
01:16:17,790 --> 01:16:15,220
world into the fourth world through this

1593
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:17,800
hole again the legends as people living

1594
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:19,210
in the Inner Earth by the way ladies and

1595
01:16:23,130 --> 01:16:21,520
gentlemen the episode in question that

1596
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:23,140
we're talking about the power cast was

1597
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:25,510
broadcast on June 10th and featured

1598
01:16:29,340 --> 01:16:27,310
Jacey Johnson and Chris telling about

1599
01:16:31,230 --> 01:16:29,350
this got so much more to talk about with

1600
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:31,240
Gary David with Gina and Chris you're in

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me every time i hear things like this is

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coming from inside the earth does that

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relate to all the theories about people

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or beings living inside the earth in

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caverns well sure that that is part of

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the Hopi mythology the ant people

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there's been a lot of discussion about

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the ant people lately in different

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places the ant people is part of the

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Hopi really that helped them survive

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01:21:51,790 --> 01:21:49,249
they wouldn't be around without the ant

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people the ant people help the hope he

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survived two different cataclysms the

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destruction of the first world by fire

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and the destruction of the second world

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by ice fire might be an asteroid strike

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or a comment or volcanism of some sort

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01:22:11,370 --> 01:22:09,559
the second world was destroyed and when

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I talk about worlds their world

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01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:14,920
ages really these cycles of time the

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01:22:20,250 --> 01:22:17,350
second world was destroyed by ice a

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01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:20,260
great Ice Age when I hear world I also

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01:22:25,530 --> 01:22:23,110
think civilization is it that the

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developed civilization of the time was

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impacted well that's the whole thing

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01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:29,770
yeah it's the whole it encompasses the

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01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:33,070
whole world because the third world for

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01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:34,770
instance was destroyed by a great flood

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01:22:40,590 --> 01:22:38,320
we have a lot of flood myths in many

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01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,600
cultures all over the world but the Hopi

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01:22:46,620 --> 01:22:42,880
believe that the third world was

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01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:46,630
destroyed by a flood however during the

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01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:48,970
destruction of the the first two worlds

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01:22:55,050 --> 01:22:52,120
these and people took the hopi down into

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01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:55,060
caverns into caves in the Grand Canyon

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01:23:00,210 --> 01:22:58,090
area when you say and people you're

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01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:00,220
talking about insectoid like people or

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01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:02,530
just the name of a particular race of

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01:23:07,620 --> 01:23:05,260
humanoids well they were from what I've

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01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:07,630
seen of I've seen petroglyphs of some of

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01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:10,390
these and people and they have you know

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01:23:16,350 --> 01:23:13,330
very spindly arms and legs and they have

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01:23:18,570 --> 01:23:16,360
antennae and they sort of look like ants

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01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:18,580
you know if you if you look at these

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01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:21,610
things objectively they they look like

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01:23:27,090 --> 01:23:24,310
carvings of ants that that the Hopi have

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01:23:30,330 --> 01:23:27,100
made but there humanoid too so they're

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01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:30,340
what anthropologists call therianthrope

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01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:34,330
they're half-human and half-animal or an

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01:23:39,210 --> 01:23:37,090
insect in this case more insect like

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01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:39,220
then the so called grey aliens that we

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01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:41,320
talked about today yeah I would say so

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01:23:46,230 --> 01:23:43,930
you know but there are some pretty

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01:23:47,850 --> 01:23:46,240
pretty startling parallels though there

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01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:47,860
are parallels and that's what I'm

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01:23:51,630 --> 01:23:49,330
wondering when I hear this I'm thinking

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01:23:55,470 --> 01:23:51,640
wait a minute we're talking about

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01:23:57,380 --> 01:23:55,480
creatures like that now and we wonder

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01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:57,390
the descriptions could they be

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01:24:03,140 --> 01:24:00,400
exaggerated to emphasize the insect like

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01:24:05,850 --> 01:24:03,150
tendencies or is it a hundred percent

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01:24:08,190 --> 01:24:05,860
photographic representation done in

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01:24:11,340 --> 01:24:08,200
drawings well I think I think they're

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01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:11,350
they're pretty specific about them being

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01:24:16,980 --> 01:24:14,710
humanoid ants and not just kind of a

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01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:16,990
fable that you'd read about you know the

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01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:19,840
ants helping people or something like

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01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:21,610
that I think that they were actual

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01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:24,670
creatures and a Hopi or not it's not a

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01:24:28,860 --> 01:24:26,770
one concept to have all these bizarre

1783
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:28,870
creatures if you look at some of the

1784
01:24:34,290 --> 01:24:31,810
Kachinas they they look pretty bizarre

1785
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:34,300
with the feathers and the helmets that's

1786
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:36,370
that sometimes look like space helmets

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01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:39,730
and the different sorts of masks all

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01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:43,120
these these spirit creatures that were

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01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:45,190
once according to the Hopi they were

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01:24:49,050 --> 01:24:47,050
once physical creatures that walked

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01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:49,060
among them and that's an interesting

1792
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:52,390
possibility here is there any reason to

1793
01:24:56,190 --> 01:24:54,010
think that it's not that they are

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01:24:58,380 --> 01:24:56,200
necessarily insect-like but they're

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01:25:00,360 --> 01:24:58,390
wearing space helmets with the antennae

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01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:00,370
being some kind of communications means

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01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,370
or mechanism well that's possible it's

1798
01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:05,440
possible that they're just you know nuts

1799
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:07,870
and bolts extraterrestrials incoming in

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01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:10,570
nuts and bolts crafts down to others I

1801
01:25:15,870 --> 01:25:12,450
tend to think that they're probably more

1802
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:15,880
interdimensional creatures coming

1803
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:18,130
through some some kind of wormhole to

1804
01:25:25,710 --> 01:25:21,250
this dimension and interacting with the

1805
01:25:27,540 --> 01:25:25,720
people in a physical form or they could

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01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:27,550
be underground dwelling crypto

1807
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,960
terrestrials for that day for that

1808
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:31,120
matter they could still be down there

1809
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:34,090
you know like I say the Hopi were saved

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01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:36,250
by these people so they're benevolent

1811
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,750
they're not they don't have the

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01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:40,080
malicious intent that some grace seem to

1813
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:43,090
exhibit toward people but um they help

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01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:44,410
the hope you survive and they taught

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01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:46,150
them how to sprout beans in these

1816
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:48,820
caverns they hope you have the bean

1817
01:25:54,030 --> 01:25:51,850
dance that Pewamo every february to

1818
01:25:56,820 --> 01:25:54,040
commemorate this time when when the ant

1819
01:25:59,130 --> 01:25:56,830
people took them down in the caverns and

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01:26:02,640 --> 01:25:59,140
showed them how to sprout these beans in

1821
01:26:04,530 --> 01:26:02,650
a dark place did we look at the ant

1822
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:04,540
people whatever they might be as

1823
01:26:09,810 --> 01:26:07,210
something in the past or is it possible

1824
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:09,820
that these and people are something that

1825
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:13,210
is up front and center today something

1826
01:26:17,940 --> 01:26:15,610
that's a present-day phenomenon or

1827
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:17,950
creature that one could find if they

1828
01:26:22,410 --> 01:26:20,050
look for them well of course there are

1829
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:22,420
ancient legends about these antia but i

1830
01:26:29,970 --> 01:26:26,170
think they they could still be living

1831
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:29,980
under the earth right now and it's um in

1832
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:33,520
these caverns because this whole area

1833
01:26:37,370 --> 01:26:36,010
around the confluences is honeycombed

1834
01:26:40,970 --> 01:26:37,380
with with

1835
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:40,980
a caves and caverns so who knows what

1836
01:26:47,180 --> 01:26:44,040
what might be under there of course we

1837
01:26:49,129 --> 01:26:47,190
could we can get into the lost city of

1838
01:26:51,500 --> 01:26:49,139
the Dead in Grand Canyon if you want to

1839
01:26:53,899 --> 01:26:51,510
as well happily yeah let's talk about

1840
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:53,909
that because of the the the correlation

1841
01:27:00,200 --> 01:26:57,210
just in terms of the location sure of

1842
01:27:01,490 --> 01:27:00,210
this fabled underground city of the Hopi

1843
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:01,500
and then just around the corner

1844
01:27:07,340 --> 01:27:03,210
basically as the crow flies not even

1845
01:27:09,260 --> 01:27:07,350
seven eight ten miles is this 1909

1846
01:27:11,959 --> 01:27:09,270
Egyptian city of the Dead that allegedly

1847
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:11,969
was discovered by a prospector why don't

1848
01:27:16,669 --> 01:27:13,530
you give us a thumbnail sketch of of

1849
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:16,679
Kincaid and and the whole Egyptian city

1850
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:19,110
yeah I have a chapter in my mind new

1851
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:20,850
book star shrines and earthworks of the

1852
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,400
desert Southwest about this about this a

1853
01:27:27,229 --> 01:27:25,440
kind of amazing story and I get asked

1854
01:27:30,189 --> 01:27:27,239
more questions about this and probably

1855
01:27:33,740 --> 01:27:30,199
any other topic about the Southwest

1856
01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:33,750
apparently on April 5th 1909 well not

1857
01:27:39,890 --> 01:27:36,420
apparently actually this story appeared

1858
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:39,900
in the Arizona Gazette it was the daily

1859
01:27:44,209 --> 01:27:42,330
newspaper published in Phoenix and it

1860
01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:44,219
was a front-page article it was

1861
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:46,710
twenty-two hundred words long and he

1862
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:50,210
talked about a man named GE Kinkaid

1863
01:27:57,260 --> 01:27:54,120
supposedly from from Idaho and he was

1864
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:57,270
working for the Smithsonian Institution

1865
01:28:03,020 --> 01:28:00,239
not that he was directly employed but it

1866
01:28:05,149 --> 01:28:03,030
suggests that he was working kind of

1867
01:28:08,540 --> 01:28:05,159
like a contract a worker for the

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Smithsonian and he left Green River

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01:28:16,459 --> 01:28:13,800
Wyoming in the fall of 1908 in October

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01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:16,469
and he sailed down the Colorado River in

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a wooden boat and he was taking

1872
01:28:27,169 --> 01:28:22,949
photographs apparently and he was making

1873
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:27,179
notes and and so forth and this article

1874
01:28:33,500 --> 01:28:29,310
appeared on April 5th that he had

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01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,510
discovered a major archeological find in

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the Grand Canyon it's specifically an

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area north of the Little Colorado River

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in an area technically called Marble

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01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:45,690
Canyon and he spotted a cave entrance it

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was about 1500 feet from the rim and

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and more than 2,000 feet above the river

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and this this entrance was was about 12

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feet wide and he he managed to climb up

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01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:04,620
to this cave and it said he climbed up

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01:29:10,910 --> 01:29:06,840
with great difficulty to this cave and

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01:29:15,380 --> 01:29:10,920
that's probably an understatement I mean

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01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:15,390
he is they really had to you know to it

1888
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:18,210
was really a climbing feat he risked

1889
01:29:22,850 --> 01:29:20,490
life life and limb having viewed that

1890
01:29:24,740 --> 01:29:22,860
area it's it's almost inconceivable that

1891
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:24,750
someone would would have the cojones to

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01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:28,710
do it oh yeah and but he apparently made

1893
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:30,540
it he made it up to this entrance of the

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01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:33,930
cave and the the tunnel went into them

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01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:37,530
into the side of the of the cliff and it

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01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:39,480
went horizontally into the side of the

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01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:42,960
cliff and it went about 60 feet in this

1898
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:45,330
tunnel and the tunnel was looked like it

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01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:48,210
had been not just a natural cave but it

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01:29:54,980 --> 01:29:52,290
looked like it had been carved or you

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01:29:57,470 --> 01:29:54,990
know itched out of this this rock into a

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01:30:00,290 --> 01:29:57,480
kind of a square square shaped tunnel

1903
01:30:03,290 --> 01:30:00,300
and there were two side passageways that

1904
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:03,300
branched off and there were a number of

1905
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:08,250
rooms in the side passageways and they

1906
01:30:13,340 --> 01:30:10,770
had oval-shaped doors in these rooms and

1907
01:30:15,620 --> 01:30:13,350
there were ventilation shafts and then

1908
01:30:19,610 --> 01:30:15,630
further on he went down the main tunnel

1909
01:30:23,930 --> 01:30:19,620
and it came to a chamber a huge chamber

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we'll get into more of this lost city on

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hello this is for us my ellen guiley and

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

2014
01:35:12,180 --> 01:35:09,850
standard a paranormal radio exploring a

2015
01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:12,190
possible lost city near the Grand Canyon

2016
01:35:16,830 --> 01:35:13,750
and you wonder how many more of these

2017
01:35:20,460 --> 01:35:16,840
are present but unaccounted for

2018
01:35:23,730 --> 01:35:20,470
carry proceeded sure he went down this

2019
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:23,740
main chamber and he went into the

2020
01:35:28,500 --> 01:35:26,170
chamber and there were another number of

2021
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:28,510
other tunnels that that came off like

2022
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:31,090
spokes on a wheel he called it so this

2023
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:34,330
was a huge a huge complex the article

2024
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:36,400
stated it actually stated that it could

2025
01:35:42,570 --> 01:35:39,970
hold up to 50,000 people which is which

2026
01:35:45,450 --> 01:35:42,580
seems incredible maybe that's just a

2027
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,460
journalistic exaggeration could a face

2028
01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:47,440
like this have been built to house

2029
01:35:51,930 --> 01:35:49,870
people because of the belief the world

2030
01:35:55,290 --> 01:35:51,940
was about to end at least on the surface

2031
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:55,300
and so we want to get people into one of

2032
01:36:00,180 --> 01:35:57,600
these hidden cities to preserve

2033
01:36:02,220 --> 01:36:00,190
humankind well it's it's hard to say

2034
01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:02,230
because this was you know he found this

2035
01:36:09,690 --> 01:36:06,670
in 1909 and the idea of the whole world

2036
01:36:11,460 --> 01:36:09,700
ending wasn't real prevalent I mean

2037
01:36:13,170 --> 01:36:11,470
there were a few well if I always been

2038
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:13,180
rumors the world's gonna end I mean you

2039
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:15,040
go back every 10 20 years or something

2040
01:36:18,810 --> 01:36:16,930
there's another set of rumors that

2041
01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:18,820
something's going to happen a great

2042
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:20,710
worldwide Cataclysm certainly all the

2043
01:36:26,850 --> 01:36:23,770
paranoia during the 1950s about nuclear

2044
01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:26,860
weapons was one reason but even when we

2045
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:31,270
had y2k it was thought well y2k now the

2046
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:33,850
world's gonna end because the bit

2047
01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:37,090
doesn't turn over to the year 2000 well

2048
01:36:41,790 --> 01:36:39,340
I think this would would have been

2049
01:36:43,470 --> 01:36:41,800
massive overkill as far as that goes

2050
01:36:46,830 --> 01:36:43,480
because you know this was such a massive

2051
01:36:51,890 --> 01:36:46,840
complex and they also found really

2052
01:36:55,470 --> 01:36:51,900
anomalous artifacts inside is this cave

2053
01:36:58,740 --> 01:36:55,480
complex they found a copper and gold

2054
01:37:01,290 --> 01:36:58,750
cups they found copper weapons they

2055
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:01,300
found slag and charcoal which means they

2056
01:37:05,070 --> 01:37:03,010
were smelting

2057
01:37:07,740 --> 01:37:05,080
some kind of a middle smelting that was

2058
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:07,750
done there they found enameled pottery

2059
01:37:13,380 --> 01:37:10,810
he found Kincaid found these stone

2060
01:37:14,670 --> 01:37:13,390
tablets with some sort of hieroglyphic

2061
01:37:17,820 --> 01:37:14,680
writing on them

2062
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:17,830
there was a dining hall that measured

2063
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:21,489
something like 40 by 700 feet it was

2064
01:37:26,910 --> 01:37:24,130
just an amazing an amazing table and

2065
01:37:31,170 --> 01:37:26,920
also that's one of the the most amazing

2066
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:31,180
finds in this was a statue a carved

2067
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:34,510
marble statue of a buddha sitting in a

2068
01:37:43,260 --> 01:37:38,080
lotus posture holding a lotus in each

2069
01:37:44,729 --> 01:37:43,270
hand no this is you know a Buddha in the

2070
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:44,739
Grand Canyon

2071
01:37:56,580 --> 01:37:52,690
well okay completely completely adverse

2072
01:37:59,190 --> 01:37:56,590
to any paradigm that that archeologists

2073
01:38:01,770 --> 01:37:59,200
were functioning at the time you know

2074
01:38:05,660 --> 01:38:01,780
you don't find statue of Buddha in the

2075
01:38:08,610 --> 01:38:05,670
Grand Canyon you don't find any Egyptian

2076
01:38:12,420 --> 01:38:08,620
artifacts either they found a number of

2077
01:38:15,870 --> 01:38:12,430
mummies lying on carved rock shelves and

2078
01:38:19,620 --> 01:38:15,880
they were like broken swords lying by

2079
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:19,630
them in cups and different different

2080
01:38:24,270 --> 01:38:21,730
artifacts but they you know Egyptian

2081
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:24,280
mummies different style mummies and a

2082
01:38:32,729 --> 01:38:30,330
Buddha in this in this particular cave

2083
01:38:35,220 --> 01:38:32,739
isn't this part and parcel some of the

2084
01:38:37,380 --> 01:38:35,230
anomalies we've long discovered where we

2085
01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:37,390
think okay this race of people they live

2086
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,190
in this particular part of the world and

2087
01:38:44,970 --> 01:38:41,440
then we travel somewhere else and

2088
01:38:47,130 --> 01:38:44,980
there's a relic or some reminder that

2089
01:38:50,430 --> 01:38:47,140
they may have traveled far more

2090
01:38:53,250 --> 01:38:50,440
distances than we expected well this

2091
01:38:57,260 --> 01:38:53,260
gets into the whole idea of the

2092
01:39:00,810 --> 01:38:57,270
mainstream paradigm of the isolationists

2093
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:00,820
the academic people who say that there

2094
01:39:09,060 --> 01:39:05,410
was no pre-columbian exchange of ideas

2095
01:39:12,630 --> 01:39:09,070
or people or trade in to the new world

2096
01:39:14,729 --> 01:39:12,640
and the the Native Americans were just

2097
01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:14,739
isolated on this continent and there was

2098
01:39:18,979 --> 01:39:16,110
no a

2099
01:39:23,570 --> 01:39:18,989
except they sometimes give the the

2100
01:39:26,419 --> 01:39:23,580
Vikings a little nod there but there was

2101
01:39:29,810 --> 01:39:26,429
there was no interface between you know

2102
01:39:32,899 --> 01:39:29,820
ancient cultures and the new world but

2103
01:39:35,870 --> 01:39:32,909
the diffusion is have a different view

2104
01:39:41,450 --> 01:39:35,880
that there was trade all over the world

2105
01:39:44,359 --> 01:39:41,460
in ancient times global maritime trading

2106
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:44,369
that went to the new world and and

2107
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:47,310
possibly as far as this cave if if it's

2108
01:39:53,450 --> 01:39:51,810
valid to Arizona okay so they use ships

2109
01:39:54,830 --> 01:39:53,460
around the world nobody's saying they

2110
01:39:58,520 --> 01:39:54,840
had flying machines or anything like

2111
01:40:00,830 --> 01:39:58,530
that you know I think flying machines

2112
01:40:05,050 --> 01:40:00,840
are a part of the third world according

2113
01:40:08,570 --> 01:40:05,060
to the Hopi the Hopi have this myth of

2114
01:40:11,180 --> 01:40:08,580
flying shields that existed in the third

2115
01:40:15,140 --> 01:40:11,190
world and this is much like the Hindu

2116
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:15,150
boom on us that the Vedic texts talk

2117
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:17,850
about so either the Hopi and the Hindus

2118
01:40:23,959 --> 01:40:21,210
are aligned in that sense that in the

2119
01:40:26,540 --> 01:40:23,969
previous world world age there were

2120
01:40:28,490 --> 01:40:26,550
these these flying machines but I think

2121
01:40:30,379 --> 01:40:28,500
in this age people are you know

2122
01:40:33,740 --> 01:40:30,389
diffusion estar saying well you know

2123
01:40:37,340 --> 01:40:33,750
there was a lot of ship travel between

2124
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:37,350
continents before Columbus it's a lot

2125
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:39,330
easier to say that and talking about

2126
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:41,730
advanced aircraft or anything else

2127
01:40:45,859 --> 01:40:44,400
although can we think here that some of

2128
01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:45,869
this may have been accomplished through

2129
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:48,600
some advanced technology that we had or

2130
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:51,690
we got from other peoples star people

2131
01:40:56,540 --> 01:40:54,449
whatever well you know you can go in all

2132
01:40:59,229 --> 01:40:56,550
different directions I believe you know

2133
01:41:02,359 --> 01:40:59,239
the the Hopi and the Zuni also

2134
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:02,369
acknowledge star ancestors or star

2135
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:06,420
people and coming down to Hopi have

2136
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:09,119
legends of star people coming down

2137
01:41:15,770 --> 01:41:11,610
Kachinas star Kachina is coming down and

2138
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:15,780
mating with Hopi women and you know this

2139
01:41:20,750 --> 01:41:17,730
is a pretty common thing and in Hopi

2140
01:41:22,959 --> 01:41:20,760
Hopi myths Hopi legends so you know

2141
01:41:26,209 --> 01:41:22,969
there there might be some kind of

2142
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:26,219
extraterrestrial influence on the Hopi

2143
01:41:29,540 --> 01:41:28,290
people and on the Zuni people of course

2144
01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:29,550
there are also those lek

2145
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:31,860
of ancient cataclysms that we had an

2146
01:41:36,260 --> 01:41:34,290
advanced civilization that something

2147
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:36,270
happened and maybe people went into the

2148
01:41:41,689 --> 01:41:39,119
caves to escape from that others may

2149
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:41,699
have left this planet who knows but that

2150
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:43,530
goes back to even the legends of Richard

2151
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:45,090
shaver and the DeRose and it's heroes

2152
01:41:50,299 --> 01:41:48,300
that's the classic legend well would the

2153
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:50,309
hopi definitely went down into these

2154
01:41:57,140 --> 01:41:54,570
caverns the they have ceremonies right

2155
01:42:00,799 --> 01:41:57,150
now you know the and people saving them

2156
01:42:04,220 --> 01:42:00,809
so you know I think they were in

2157
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:04,230
jeopardy as a people and they had to go

2158
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:07,530
into the earth in order to survive and

2159
01:42:14,750 --> 01:42:10,770
their whole cosmology is based on this

2160
01:42:16,879 --> 01:42:14,760
subterranean subterranean existence the

2161
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:16,889
Hopi believe that when they die they go

2162
01:42:23,870 --> 01:42:20,400
back down into the Grand Canyon through

2163
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:23,880
the cipa Pony and they'll meet a god

2164
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:27,690
named Messiah now Messiah is a rather

2165
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:33,449
interesting Hopi god masau'u is very

2166
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:37,170
striking in his appearance it was one of

2167
01:42:40,879 --> 01:42:39,449
the major gods that I hope he confronted

2168
01:42:46,970 --> 01:42:40,889
when they came up out of the Grand

2169
01:42:49,970 --> 01:42:46,980
Canyon he is he's very tall he has large

2170
01:42:53,169 --> 01:42:49,980
round eyes he has a round mouth he has a

2171
01:42:56,330 --> 01:42:53,179
bulbous head very large bulbous head

2172
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:56,340
that has a texture of the summer squash

2173
01:43:03,799 --> 01:42:59,520
so it's rather bumpy he has very long

2174
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:03,809
arms and feet and his skin is gray okay

2175
01:43:12,319 --> 01:43:08,340
oh boy gray again so this um this looks

2176
01:43:15,020 --> 01:43:12,329
a lot like the the tall grace that were

2177
01:43:18,290 --> 01:43:15,030
used to seeing you he's probably a tall

2178
01:43:23,209 --> 01:43:18,300
grey rather than one of the shorter

2179
01:43:26,330 --> 01:43:23,219
greys but you know his name Matthau that

2180
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,340
the word mas is actually means gray in

2181
01:43:30,830 --> 01:43:29,040
the Hopi language so and he's the god of

2182
01:43:33,649 --> 01:43:30,840
death the god of the underworld the god

2183
01:43:35,839 --> 01:43:33,659
of fire and people believe that when

2184
01:43:39,410 --> 01:43:35,849
they died they all go back down into the

2185
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:39,420
earth and have to confront Messiah and

2186
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:43,209
sort of a judgment you know process

2187
01:43:50,009 --> 01:43:47,530
like the Egyptian a scenario of the

2188
01:43:53,459 --> 01:43:50,019
underworld or the Duat where you're

2189
01:43:58,410 --> 01:43:53,469
judged your your deeds on earth are

2190
01:44:01,439 --> 01:43:58,420
judged by Osiris so a Cyrus and Misawa

2191
01:44:03,449 --> 01:44:01,449
have a lot in common as far as the god

2192
01:44:05,069 --> 01:44:03,459
of deaths and resurrection

2193
01:44:08,729 --> 01:44:05,079
well something else it has a lot in

2194
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:08,739
common is the actual Sipapu location and

2195
01:44:15,060 --> 01:44:12,010
its proximity to the alleged underground

2196
01:44:18,330 --> 01:44:15,070
city that GE Kinkaid found in 1909

2197
01:44:20,069 --> 01:44:18,340
because if you go just down Marble

2198
01:44:21,989 --> 01:44:20,079
Canyon a couple three miles to the

2199
01:44:25,140 --> 01:44:21,999
confluence and then go up the confluence

2200
01:44:27,779 --> 01:44:25,150
the Little Colorado a couple three miles

2201
01:44:30,299 --> 01:44:27,789
that's where the place of emergence is

2202
01:44:31,949 --> 01:44:30,309
plainly visible so I find a very

2203
01:44:35,069 --> 01:44:31,959
interesting that we should have such a

2204
01:44:38,609 --> 01:44:35,079
close you know proximity correlation

2205
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:38,619
there and it's the area between these

2206
01:44:44,879 --> 01:44:41,920
two locations on top of the rim that you

2207
01:44:46,830 --> 01:44:44,889
found evidence of this this this mile by

2208
01:44:49,469 --> 01:44:46,840
three-quarter mile you know perfect

2209
01:44:52,020 --> 01:44:49,479
rectangle that appeared to have other

2210
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:52,030
parallel lines running from it and you

2211
01:44:56,069 --> 01:44:53,530
know getting back to the original story

2212
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:56,079
of our trip that this is what what

2213
01:45:00,509 --> 01:44:58,239
alerted you that there may be something

2214
01:45:03,149 --> 01:45:00,519
worthy of investigation there and you

2215
01:45:05,549 --> 01:45:03,159
contacted me and you and David Hatcher

2216
01:45:06,929 --> 01:45:05,559
Childress and well I'll let you pick it

2217
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:06,939
up from there but before we do that

2218
01:45:09,629 --> 01:45:08,110
we're going to have to break for a

2219
01:45:12,060 --> 01:45:09,639
moment then we're going to want to learn

2220
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:12,070
more about that and whether I'm curious

2221
01:45:15,540 --> 01:45:13,689
have there been any new developments

2222
01:45:17,459 --> 01:45:15,550
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2223
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2245
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2246
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2247
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2248
01:46:23,310 --> 01:46:21,670
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2249
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2250
01:46:26,190 --> 01:46:24,430
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2251
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2252
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2253
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2254
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2255
01:46:42,210 --> 01:46:35,740
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2256
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:42,220
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2257
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2260
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2261
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2264
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2281
01:48:04,020 --> 01:48:01,960
here's Jean Steinberg Gary David joining

2282
01:48:06,750 --> 01:48:04,030
Jean and Chris we're talking about that

2283
01:48:09,629 --> 01:48:06,760
very unusual discovery of a possible

2284
01:48:12,090 --> 01:48:09,639
lost city has it been anything new since

2285
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:12,100
the original trip to learn more about

2286
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:15,250
this well we went out there partly

2287
01:48:21,300 --> 01:48:18,850
because of this giant rectangle and also

2288
01:48:24,810 --> 01:48:21,310
I had seen some other anomalies that

2289
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:24,820
look like ruins or perhaps Kiva's on the

2290
01:48:30,570 --> 01:48:28,690
rim and come come to find out we we

2291
01:48:33,060 --> 01:48:30,580
couldn't get out to this area that I

2292
01:48:36,750 --> 01:48:33,070
that I also saw that had the ruins so

2293
01:48:40,830 --> 01:48:36,760
maybe that's that's to do in the next

2294
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:40,840
trip out there but you know the a very

2295
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:44,770
stunning discovery that apparently has

2296
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:47,530
been around since the spring and we

2297
01:48:52,110 --> 01:48:48,850
didn't know about it when we were out

2298
01:48:54,990 --> 01:48:52,120
there we were out there for about what

2299
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,000
four days Chris got was the second week

2300
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,080
of May I believe yeah and you know it

2301
01:49:04,620 --> 01:49:00,400
apparently this whole thing about the

2302
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:04,630
Grand Canyon escalade there's a company

2303
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:08,639
in Scottsdale that is trying to put in a

2304
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:11,770
huge complex on right at the at the

2305
01:49:16,050 --> 01:49:14,050
confluence the place where the Little

2306
01:49:19,590 --> 01:49:16,060
Colorado flows into the Colorado River

2307
01:49:22,110 --> 01:49:19,600
and they want to build a tramway down

2308
01:49:24,979 --> 01:49:22,120
into the Grand Canyon and they want to

2309
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:24,989
build a walkway along the Colorado River

2310
01:49:31,110 --> 01:49:28,000
they want to build a restaurant down in

2311
01:49:35,970 --> 01:49:31,120
the Grand Canyon and they would want to

2312
01:49:38,459 --> 01:49:35,980
build museums and whole a whole tourist

2313
01:49:41,450 --> 01:49:38,469
kind of complex

2314
01:49:45,180 --> 01:49:41,460
well casino to it on top it on the rim

2315
01:49:48,780 --> 01:49:45,190
casinos yeah and the just the hotel a

2316
01:49:51,090 --> 01:49:48,790
hotel up there so this is so close to

2317
01:49:55,620 --> 01:49:51,100
this most sacred spot in Hopi and Zuni

2318
01:49:59,010 --> 01:49:55,630
culture the Sipapu that you know it's

2319
01:50:02,100 --> 01:49:59,020
just unthinkable that you know this is

2320
01:50:07,020 --> 01:50:02,110
sacred to the Hopi and the Zuni as Mecca

2321
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:07,030
is to to the Muslims and Jerusalem is to

2322
01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:10,480
the to the Hebrews so it's just

2323
01:50:15,180 --> 01:50:12,760
unthinkable that the Navajo in

2324
01:50:17,130 --> 01:50:15,190
coordination with this these companies

2325
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:17,140
from Scottsdale is trying to push this

2326
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:20,410
is money-making scheme that will that

2327
01:50:25,980 --> 01:50:23,770
will devastate the whole the whole area

2328
01:50:28,590 --> 01:50:25,990
I guess if money is to be made somebody

2329
01:50:30,570 --> 01:50:28,600
out there some developer will say let's

2330
01:50:33,390 --> 01:50:30,580
find a way to do it let's find a way to

2331
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:33,400
exploit this yeah and and the people who

2332
01:50:40,620 --> 01:50:36,610
are doing it they have rather sleazy

2333
01:50:42,510 --> 01:50:40,630
motives one of the guys that's trying to

2334
01:50:45,690 --> 01:50:42,520
push it through his son is connected

2335
01:50:48,090 --> 01:50:45,700
with strip clubs in Scottsdale and and

2336
01:50:50,730 --> 01:50:48,100
you know they're they're connected with

2337
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:50,740
the the Grand Canyon walkway at the the

2338
01:50:54,900 --> 01:50:53,050
other end of the canyon so you know and

2339
01:51:00,120 --> 01:50:54,910
and they're also connected with the snow

2340
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:00,130
bowl making inputting sewage on making

2341
01:51:04,860 --> 01:51:02,290
snow from sewage water I mean it's all

2342
01:51:07,110 --> 01:51:04,870
connected this there's this group that's

2343
01:51:09,900 --> 01:51:07,120
trying to push this through and we

2344
01:51:12,540 --> 01:51:09,910
should probably note as well that this

2345
01:51:15,150 --> 01:51:12,550
area is under the control and dominion

2346
01:51:18,090 --> 01:51:15,160
of the Navajo people who are relative

2347
01:51:19,650 --> 01:51:18,100
newcomers to North America they arrived

2348
01:51:22,380 --> 01:51:19,660
here about a hundred years before the

2349
01:51:25,290 --> 01:51:22,390
Spanish they have political control and

2350
01:51:27,540 --> 01:51:25,300
dominion over this area that is sacred

2351
01:51:29,550 --> 01:51:27,550
to the Hopi and Zuni who are being left

2352
01:51:33,540 --> 01:51:29,560
out of the equation who don't have any

2353
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:33,550
sort of political clout in the the Grand

2354
01:51:38,580 --> 01:51:35,770
Canyon confluence area there yeah there

2355
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:38,590
there is a bit of discrepancy between

2356
01:51:45,330 --> 01:51:42,000
you know where the boundary actually is

2357
01:51:48,590 --> 01:51:45,340
the Navajo say that they own that side

2358
01:51:52,970 --> 01:51:48,600
the eastern side of Marble Canyon and

2359
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:52,980
you know Grand Canyon National Park

2360
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:55,840
tends to say that one no we owned up to

2361
01:52:01,500 --> 01:51:58,480
the rim so you know there's there's a

2362
01:52:03,450 --> 01:52:01,510
bit of discrepancy between the park and

2363
01:52:06,660 --> 01:52:03,460
the Navajo Nation about where the

2364
01:52:09,900 --> 01:52:06,670
boundary actually is and like you say

2365
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:09,910
that the Navajo have not been here as

2366
01:52:16,110 --> 01:52:12,880
long as the Hopi or Zuni in this region

2367
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:16,120
but recently just last night I saw a

2368
01:52:23,850 --> 01:52:21,280
video produced by a group in that area a

2369
01:52:26,780 --> 01:52:23,860
group of Navajos that that are claiming

2370
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:26,790
that they see they also see this area as

2371
01:52:33,150 --> 01:52:30,430
sacred so some of the Navajos in that

2372
01:52:36,210 --> 01:52:33,160
particular area do claim that this is

2373
01:52:38,730 --> 01:52:36,220
this is sacred land according to their

2374
01:52:42,690 --> 01:52:38,740
culture which which is a good sign that

2375
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:42,700
perhaps they will prevail rather than

2376
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:47,170
the Ben Shelly and and the people the

2377
01:52:51,810 --> 01:52:49,450
company in Scottsdale if it's a Native

2378
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:51,820
American land though the US government

2379
01:52:55,380 --> 01:52:53,440
has no control over what they do with it

2380
01:52:59,190 --> 01:52:55,390
right well that's right yeah it's it's

2381
01:53:02,310 --> 01:52:59,200
Navajo land at least you know the the

2382
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:02,320
rim is the top up on top now as there's

2383
01:53:07,770 --> 01:53:04,810
a dispute you know whether they

2384
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:07,780
controlled down to the river or does

2385
01:53:14,730 --> 01:53:10,770
their control stop at the rim you know

2386
01:53:17,070 --> 01:53:14,740
so I think you know I said I'm surprised

2387
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:17,080
as Grand Canyon has not spoken up more

2388
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:20,050
about this particular project because it

2389
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:22,630
would really change the whole the whole

2390
01:53:29,190 --> 01:53:27,130
tenor and the whole whole feel of of the

2391
01:53:32,730 --> 01:53:29,200
Grand Canyon this remote area that you

2392
01:53:35,180 --> 01:53:32,740
can hike down into and you the hope we

2393
01:53:38,070 --> 01:53:35,190
have for centuries they have made

2394
01:53:40,890 --> 01:53:38,080
migrations to this area to the cipa Pony

2395
01:53:42,780 --> 01:53:40,900
and to the salt caves which are also

2396
01:53:44,850 --> 01:53:42,790
down there and they they gathered

2397
01:53:47,340 --> 01:53:44,860
ritualistic salt that they brought up

2398
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:47,350
and took back to the Hopi mesas and this

2399
01:53:52,860 --> 01:53:50,650
was a kind of a ritual annual migration

2400
01:53:55,770 --> 01:53:52,870
that the Hopi would make to this

2401
01:54:01,260 --> 01:53:55,780
specific area and built a pilgrimage not

2402
01:54:04,860 --> 01:54:01,270
a bunch of migration in this this salt

2403
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:04,870
trail canyon that is very sacred to the

2404
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:07,690
Hopi is where you and I clifford mahooty

2405
01:54:14,150 --> 01:54:11,770
and ron Regehr filmed what appeared to

2406
01:54:16,290 --> 01:54:14,160
be illegal covert helicopter activity

2407
01:54:19,490 --> 01:54:16,300
which appeared to be going down right

2408
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:19,500
into and over the place of emergence

2409
01:54:25,500 --> 01:54:22,330
with these large loads slung underneath

2410
01:54:26,190 --> 01:54:25,510
on long cables which you know we talked

2411
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:26,200
about back

2412
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:29,770
in June but come to find out then you

2413
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:31,840
know as we finished up our trip and went

2414
01:54:36,330 --> 01:54:34,210
went home Gary found out about this

2415
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:36,340
Grand Canyon Escalade project and all of

2416
01:54:40,260 --> 01:54:38,290
a sudden it kind of everything kind of

2417
01:54:42,540 --> 01:54:40,270
came clearly into focus I I think

2418
01:54:44,460 --> 01:54:42,550
clifford mahooty came up with the most

2419
01:54:46,230 --> 01:54:44,470
astute observation he's saying yeah

2420
01:54:48,330 --> 01:54:46,240
they're gonna build this casino on top

2421
01:54:49,620 --> 01:54:48,340
of the rim and if you have a special you

2422
01:54:51,900 --> 01:54:49,630
know if you're one of the mucky-mucks

2423
01:54:54,090 --> 01:54:51,910
with a special passkey you can take the

2424
01:54:55,860 --> 01:54:54,100
elevator down into the to where the real

2425
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:55,870
action is in the underground city that

2426
01:55:01,320 --> 01:54:58,480
they're probably refurbishing with a you

2427
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:01,330
know with pedophile rooms and uh you

2428
01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:03,370
know who knows what else that's been

2429
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:05,110
pretty crazy but Chris the question I

2430
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:07,930
have to ask you or Gary is there's

2431
01:55:13,020 --> 01:55:10,570
basically if they own the land the

2432
01:55:15,930 --> 01:55:13,030
Navajo the Hopi has no claim to it

2433
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:15,940
there's no legal way there can contact

2434
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:18,850
the authorities to say look you can't do

2435
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:20,170
this for maybe the train has already

2436
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:21,850
left the station it's already being done

2437
01:55:25,140 --> 01:55:24,610
and next year it'll be opened up what's

2438
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:25,150
going on

2439
01:55:29,220 --> 01:55:27,490
well that's a good question Clifford

2440
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:29,230
said that there has to be some sort of

2441
01:55:36,210 --> 01:55:33,610
of environmental impact study done and

2442
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:36,220
there has to be a cultural impact study

2443
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:40,440
done which is a fairly routine for large

2444
01:55:46,260 --> 01:55:42,960
you know development projects on

2445
01:55:49,230 --> 01:55:46,270
reservations and there is some question

2446
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:49,240
that the Navajo may not have the right

2447
01:55:55,470 --> 01:55:52,330
to violate another tribes or in this

2448
01:56:00,180 --> 01:55:55,480
case pretty much all the other Pueblo

2449
01:56:02,730 --> 01:56:00,190
Indian peoples their sacred site now

2450
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:02,740
remember the Danai they Apache and

2451
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:07,090
Navajo again have a are recent newcomers

2452
01:56:13,650 --> 01:56:10,570
to this area so they don't hold the area

2453
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:13,660
I think as sacred as the Hopi and Zuni

2454
01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:16,330
and other pueblo tribes do and and I

2455
01:56:21,170 --> 01:56:18,520
think there may be some sort of legal

2456
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:21,180
recourse that the Hopi and Zuni may have

2457
01:56:27,860 --> 01:56:26,080
to at least demand that certain you know

2458
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:27,870
studies are done or feasibility

2459
01:56:33,660 --> 01:56:31,330
assessments are done from a cultural and

2460
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:33,670
an environmental point of view there is

2461
01:56:37,220 --> 01:56:35,760
the issue of water in the little collar

2462
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:37,230
I know where are they gonna get the

2463
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:41,130
water to to allow this huge facility to

2464
01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:44,370
be built and maintained they initially

2465
01:56:50,030 --> 01:56:46,440
proposed a small airport to be built

2466
01:56:53,020 --> 01:56:50,040
there which was struck down but it seems

2467
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:53,030
like a you know this is almost a

2468
01:56:58,220 --> 01:56:55,890
slam-dunk thing for these developers say

2469
01:57:00,400 --> 01:56:58,230
a Memorandum of Understanding has

2470
01:57:02,900 --> 01:57:00,410
already been filed up a legal document

2471
01:57:07,310 --> 01:57:02,910
signed by the head of the Navajo Nation

2472
01:57:08,930 --> 01:57:07,320
Ben Shelly so it does appear and correct

2473
01:57:11,690 --> 01:57:08,940
me if I'm wrong Gary that this this

2474
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:11,700
whole thing appears to be going full

2475
01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:12,570
speed ahead

2476
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:15,960
well yeah unless unless the Grand Canyon

2477
01:57:20,660 --> 01:57:17,730
National Park can get somehow get

2478
01:57:23,210 --> 01:57:20,670
involved we can go our complexity zuv

2479
01:57:25,130 --> 01:57:23,220
the legal ramifications how that

2480
01:57:26,690 --> 01:57:25,140
development might be stopped or has the

2481
01:57:28,730 --> 01:57:26,700
chip sale the train left the station

2482
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:28,740
we'll get into that in a moment we have

2483
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Gary David with Jeanne and Chris in the

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developers and possibly impacting or

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destroying sacred land now I gather

2586
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2587
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which is controlled by the US Department

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of the Interior which works with various

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Native American related issues but do

2590
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they have any power or something like

2591
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this well I think the BIA would would

2592
02:02:28,050 --> 02:02:25,810
probably go full speed on this project

2593
02:02:31,260 --> 02:02:28,060
and give it the go they traditionally

2594
02:02:33,210 --> 02:02:31,270
have not supported Native American

2595
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:33,220
interests you know I've been on Pine

2596
02:02:40,380 --> 02:02:36,370
Ridge Reservation I taught there in the

2597
02:02:43,500 --> 02:02:40,390
80s and you know it's the same story the

2598
02:02:46,230 --> 02:02:43,510
BIA tries to push these these huge

2599
02:02:50,370 --> 02:02:46,240
economic projects that that destroy

2600
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:50,380
sacred sites and go against the wishes

2601
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:53,650
of the spiritual elders of the

2602
02:03:00,020 --> 02:02:57,010
particular villages and communities yet

2603
02:03:02,430 --> 02:03:00,030
the politicians who receive the most

2604
02:03:05,580 --> 02:03:02,440
campaign contributions from the right

2605
02:03:08,070 --> 02:03:05,590
people to do this I I'm sure that that's

2606
02:03:11,010 --> 02:03:08,080
all part of it and like I say the the

2607
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:11,020
the Tribal Council on most reservations

2608
02:03:16,500 --> 02:03:14,800
is allied with these these corporations

2609
02:03:19,170 --> 02:03:16,510
that want to come in and build casinos

2610
02:03:22,410 --> 02:03:19,180
and build different economic projects

2611
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:22,420
and destroy the the the spiritual nature

2612
02:03:27,210 --> 02:03:25,210
of that many of the elders are

2613
02:03:30,210 --> 02:03:27,220
constantly fighting against and us not

2614
02:03:32,460 --> 02:03:30,220
just at hope your Zuni it sits on Pine

2615
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:32,470
Ridge and different reservations around

2616
02:03:37,830 --> 02:03:35,050
the country this struggle between the

2617
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:37,840
BIA and the tribal councils against the

2618
02:03:45,300 --> 02:03:40,570
spiritual leaders of the of the

2619
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:45,310
community of the tribes so this is a

2620
02:03:50,730 --> 02:03:48,130
constant theme that's going on but you

2621
02:03:53,020 --> 02:03:50,740
mentioned the water you know one of John

2622
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:53,030
Kyle's last bills

2623
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:56,000
I believe it was Senate bill 21:09 is

2624
02:03:58,810 --> 02:03:56,930
that right Chris

2625
02:04:00,460 --> 02:03:58,820
which was actually a reintroduction of

2626
02:04:02,470 --> 02:04:00,470
an old bill that was that was shot down

2627
02:04:05,350 --> 02:04:02,480
yeah it would have waived

2628
02:04:08,170 --> 02:04:05,360
all the rights that that the Navajo and

2629
02:04:09,970 --> 02:04:08,180
and the Hopi and the Zuni halves of the

2630
02:04:11,860 --> 02:04:09,980
Little Colorado and the Colorado River

2631
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:11,870
that would have taken all their water

2632
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:15,050
rights away in exchange for a few

2633
02:04:21,210 --> 02:04:18,530
communities on the reservation getting

2634
02:04:25,390 --> 02:04:21,220
piped water into their into their

2635
02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:25,400
communities luckily this this bill kind

2636
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:28,130
of died but I think it was all part of

2637
02:04:33,340 --> 02:04:30,770
this whole complex you know the the

2638
02:04:36,280 --> 02:04:33,350
water bill and this particular Grand

2639
02:04:39,580 --> 02:04:36,290
Canyon Escalade I think it's part of the

2640
02:04:44,650 --> 02:04:39,590
whole the whole conspiracy to to usurp

2641
02:04:48,730 --> 02:04:44,660
the the native people's religious lands

2642
02:04:51,550 --> 02:04:48,740
and and destroy the any religious value

2643
02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:51,560
that that the Navajo and the Hopi and

2644
02:04:57,460 --> 02:04:54,290
the Zuni AB for these places is this all

2645
02:04:59,770 --> 02:04:57,470
about profits no it's always always all

2646
02:05:01,230 --> 02:04:59,780
the profits you know we don't have to

2647
02:05:04,270 --> 02:05:01,240
worry about Jon Kyl anymore because

2648
02:05:05,770 --> 02:05:04,280
right he didn't run it was Blake to

2649
02:05:08,020 --> 02:05:05,780
worry about now I don't know about Jeff

2650
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:08,030
Flake will happen this is becoming a

2651
02:05:12,580 --> 02:05:10,310
political discussion here whether the

2652
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:12,590
politicians can do something and if

2653
02:05:17,020 --> 02:05:14,450
there is a lost city down there

2654
02:05:19,450 --> 02:05:17,030
with all sorts of interesting evidence

2655
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:19,460
whether the actions of a few politicians

2656
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,490
and maybe the wrong officials could

2657
02:05:26,770 --> 02:05:24,800
destroy all that legacy before we find

2658
02:05:28,810 --> 02:05:26,780
out what's really going on this is a

2659
02:05:31,420 --> 02:05:28,820
constant struggle and it's a symptomatic

2660
02:05:34,300 --> 02:05:31,430
of the end of the fourth world according

2661
02:05:36,190 --> 02:05:34,310
to the Hopi hi I have a Hopi friend is

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you know I asked him well when is the

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fourth world gonna end and he says well

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probably in my lifetime and he's in his

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50s now the ceremonial cycle will just

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cease to exist because it's just too

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hard too much of a struggle to keep

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these ceremonies going and all of these

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sacred lands are being destroyed this is

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all part of the that scenario that the

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the fourth world you know on a grand

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scale

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in a cosmic census is grinding to an end

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that the new at new age is going to come

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in but we have this rough period this

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this birthing period where a lot of

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these you know Earth's devastation and

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environmental disasters keep keep

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hitting us day after day we read it in

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the news you know just one after another

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one disaster after another but don't we

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live also in a society where a lot of

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politicians are totally anti science

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02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:38,790
anti the environment they don't believe

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02:06:42,290 --> 02:06:41,010
in man-made global warming or any global

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warming they believed the earth was

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built 6,000 years ago they don't believe

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in what used to be considered normal

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scientific evidence so why should you

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expect them to want to do anything about

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protecting these native lands well sure

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that's that's part of the the rapture

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02:07:02,300 --> 02:07:00,720
crowd that thinks that they're they're

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just going to be raptured into heaven

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and and the the rest of the earth is

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going to be left in the state of chaos

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and warfare a lot of unfortunately a lot

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of politicians have this radical view of

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Christianity and you know as far as the

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environment goes they they could care

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less about what happens to the earth

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because they'll be you know safe in

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heaven and you know this is this is a

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dire sign you know when when Bill Nye

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the Science Guy has have to step in and

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say well you know you really should

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teach evolution to your kids because we

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won't have a competing science of body

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of scientists competing with the rest of

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the world I mean we're getting so so

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02:07:55,700 --> 02:07:53,190
illogical and the way some of the

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politicians at least they have taken on

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this right-wing Christian event in Van

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Jellicle outlook on life and it's it's

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really frightening to think that people

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could be that irrational but you wonder

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why they come up with those beliefs is

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it partly because of frustrations about

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the fact that things today are so

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difficult in coping with our society

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in the economy and all the stuff that's

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going on that maybe it's just better to

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pretend it doesn't exist you know the

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environmental movement started and you

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know I was a high school senior during

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the first Earth Day and we we had a lot

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of hope that this was going to be a

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positive force that would that would

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clean up the earth you know I grew up in

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a suburb of Cleveland and at that time

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the Cuyahoga River was catching on fire

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periodically because of all the

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pollutants and we thought this this

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environmental movement would be an

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anodyne for that that sort of

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destruction and pollution but we had a

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backlash in the 80s and now

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environmentalism is seen as a dirty word

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you know you're you're it's um you know

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it's it's frightening the way some

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people have become so anti science I

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don't think really I don't think Al Gore

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did us any good because he politicized

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the whole the whole issue of climate

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change and and those on the right just

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naturally attack anything dealing with

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global warming or climate change because

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they don't like them the Democrats or Al

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Gore so you know it's gotten really

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messy the whole whole situation and you

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know scientists are just shaking their

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heads because no 99% of them agree that

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a global warning is a human caused and

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that that a lot of these these

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politicians are just simply ignorant of

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the facts just look at the facts yes sir

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just the facts we'll have more of those

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facts in a moment we have Gary David

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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global warming deniers none other then

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Stanton Friedman the famous UFO

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investigator was co-author of one book

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about where science was quote-unquote

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wrong and he doesn't believe in it well

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he's going against a vast majority of

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the scientists out there that they're

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using

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greatly improved climate models you know

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the climate models weren't that great

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twenty years ago but now they're they've

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become much more refined and you just

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look at the the warming of the ark the

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Arctic Ocean pretty soon we're going to

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have in the summertime we're going to

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have be able to just sail on the Arctic

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lines on the Arctic Ocean oh you hate to

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be a polar bear I'll just think this way

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if you live in New York City or in New

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Jersey and you suffered from the misery

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02:16:03,710 --> 02:16:01,200
of Hurricane sandy you have to wonder

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02:16:05,450 --> 02:16:03,720
how can you say something isn't going on

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you could say well maybe it's not fully

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man-made but we've got a crazy cycle

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02:16:12,290 --> 02:16:10,080
going on here that's causing lots of

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02:16:14,660 --> 02:16:12,300
trouble lots of misery for people yeah

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02:16:16,370 --> 02:16:14,670
I'm not saying that it's totally human

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02:16:19,250 --> 02:16:16,380
cars but you know a lot of the

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02:16:22,100 --> 02:16:19,260
greenhouse gases we're throwing more

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into the atmosphere all the time also

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02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:24,180
the Sun the Sun appears to be heating up

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02:16:30,770 --> 02:16:27,330
yeah the solar cycles are getting kind

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02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:30,780
of crazy and I guess next year 2013 will

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be the solar maximum well that's some of

2891
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,280
course we survive and when the world

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doesn't have two weeks from now yeah

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02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:39,389
okay we have to think about that but

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02:16:43,100 --> 02:16:41,010
well we look at stuff that you're doing

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02:16:46,550 --> 02:16:43,110
and you have the new book star shrines

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earth works in the desert Southwest and

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you have these four books that you've

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written and you look at this and you're

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just one researcher of many researchers

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who've done this kind of research but

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what about mainstream science when they

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look at the work that people like you do

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do they say always not a real scientist

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what do they say well I'm not a

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scientist I don't claim to be a

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scientist I never have

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I don't even claim to be an

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archaeologist I don't have a degree in

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archaeology or anything like that I'm

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I'm a writer who's interested in the

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Hopi culture and in archaeology and in

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archeoastronomy but I don't claim make

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any claims to be totally scientific

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that's that's not the type of writing I

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do if people are looking for hard

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science they should probably look

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elsewhere you're a popular writer who

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writes stuff for regular people to

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acquaint them with a lot of different

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mysteries and evidence and you hope that

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scientists will pick up on what you do

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02:17:50,349 --> 02:17:47,599
and say you know what we should research

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02:17:53,769 --> 02:17:50,359
this too well yeah I'm not looking for

2924
02:17:57,280 --> 02:17:53,779
that particular audience even gene if

2925
02:17:58,839 --> 02:17:57,290
scientists can find some kind of meaning

2926
02:18:02,530 --> 02:17:58,849
and in what I'm doing that's fine but

2927
02:18:06,450 --> 02:18:02,540
I'm really exploring for myself and the

2928
02:18:09,250 --> 02:18:06,460
the relationship between the hobbies and

2929
02:18:12,339 --> 02:18:09,260
the land that they live on and their

2930
02:18:14,709 --> 02:18:12,349
myths and their legends and it's trying

2931
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:14,719
to make sense of the place where I live

2932
02:18:21,790 --> 02:18:18,080
I've lived in Arizona for 18 years and I

2933
02:18:23,769 --> 02:18:21,800
try to make sense of the place that I'm

2934
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:23,779
living in and this is one of the ways

2935
02:18:27,910 --> 02:18:26,210
that I've done that before this time I

2936
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:27,920
lived in the Black Hills of South Dakota

2937
02:18:32,889 --> 02:18:31,040
and worked with the Lakota Sioux on

2938
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:32,899
different projects and I taught on Pine

2939
02:18:39,700 --> 02:18:36,800
Ridge and rosebud reservations and try

2940
02:18:42,219 --> 02:18:39,710
to look at the at the land through the

2941
02:18:44,379 --> 02:18:42,229
eyes of the native people and through

2942
02:18:46,540 --> 02:18:44,389
their their myths and legends and

2943
02:18:49,240 --> 02:18:46,550
there's quite a few parallel legends

2944
02:18:52,089 --> 02:18:49,250
that the Lakota have and the Hopi have

2945
02:18:54,429 --> 02:18:52,099
as far as the celestial reflecting the

2946
02:18:57,339 --> 02:18:54,439
terrestrial realm you know what maybe

2947
02:19:00,280 --> 02:18:57,349
tell us about those connections when I

2948
02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:00,290
was in South Dakota I went there when I

2949
02:19:07,660 --> 02:19:04,969
was about 26 28 26 that was a long time

2950
02:19:09,490 --> 02:19:07,670
ago yeah I started working with the

2951
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:09,500
Lakota because I was teaching on Pine

2952
02:19:14,969 --> 02:19:12,319
Ridge and I met a woman named Charlotte

2953
02:19:17,889 --> 02:19:14,979
Black Elk and Charlotte was the

2954
02:19:19,990 --> 02:19:17,899
great-granddaughter of Nicholas Black

2955
02:19:21,790 --> 02:19:20,000
Elk who wrote the classic Black Elk

2956
02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:21,800
speaks and

2957
02:19:28,450 --> 02:19:25,490
time Charlotte was she was trying to

2958
02:19:31,719 --> 02:19:28,460
explore this idea that the the Lakota or

2959
02:19:34,299 --> 02:19:31,729
the Sioux had been there longer than

2960
02:19:37,839 --> 02:19:34,309
historians say they were and she had a

2961
02:19:40,780 --> 02:19:37,849
buffalo hide with a star map on it and

2962
02:19:42,879 --> 02:19:40,790
this star map showed the stars as they

2963
02:19:45,339 --> 02:19:42,889
were three thousand years ago

2964
02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:45,349
and she was saying that you know the

2965
02:19:50,940 --> 02:19:48,410
Lakota had been doing ceremonies in and

2966
02:19:53,469 --> 02:19:50,950
around the Black Hills for 3,000 years

2967
02:19:55,900 --> 02:19:53,479
because this star map on the buffalo

2968
02:19:58,450 --> 02:19:55,910
hide proves this particular thing and

2969
02:20:01,480 --> 02:19:58,460
they had a concept of a celestial

2970
02:20:04,840 --> 02:20:01,490
buffalo that correspondent to certain

2971
02:20:08,170 --> 02:20:04,850
parts of the Black Hills this celestial

2972
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:08,180
buffalo was made up of Orion's belt so

2973
02:20:12,820 --> 02:20:10,399
that that kid me in on her own Orion

2974
02:20:15,880 --> 02:20:12,830
right away that was the backbone of this

2975
02:20:18,790 --> 02:20:15,890
Buffalo the nose of the Buffalo was the

2976
02:20:21,219 --> 02:20:18,800
Pleiades in in the constellation Taurus

2977
02:20:24,250 --> 02:20:21,229
and the tail of the Buffalo was the star

2978
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:24,260
Sirius so there was this huge symbolic

2979
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:27,770
Buffalo in the sky they referred to

2980
02:20:34,210 --> 02:20:31,130
specific points in the Black Hills where

2981
02:20:36,820 --> 02:20:34,220
the Lakota would go and do ceremonies at

2982
02:20:39,099 --> 02:20:36,830
a certain time of year for instance they

2983
02:20:42,400 --> 02:20:39,109
would do the Sun Dance ceremony at

2984
02:20:44,980 --> 02:20:42,410
Devil's Tower which is northwest of the

2985
02:20:47,620 --> 02:20:44,990
Black Hills of course doubles tower is

2986
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:47,630
the place where Close Encounters of the

2987
02:20:53,469 --> 02:20:50,479
Third Kind was filmed and so the you

2988
02:20:57,610 --> 02:20:53,479
know the Lakota had a long-standing

2989
02:20:59,620 --> 02:20:57,620
relationship with that land and and and

2990
02:21:02,290 --> 02:20:59,630
doing ceremonies on that land for

2991
02:21:05,740 --> 02:21:02,300
thousands of years not just a few

2992
02:21:09,099 --> 02:21:05,750
hundred like historians claim so this

2993
02:21:11,559 --> 02:21:09,109
idea of the sky mirroring the earth was

2994
02:21:14,620 --> 02:21:11,569
planted very early on so when I came

2995
02:21:17,889 --> 02:21:14,630
down here in Arizona that idea of the

2996
02:21:20,099 --> 02:21:17,899
Arizona Orion correlation took hold when

2997
02:21:23,670 --> 02:21:20,109
I saw the pattern of Hopi villages

2998
02:21:26,770 --> 02:21:23,680
across in the high desert of Arizona

2999
02:21:29,610 --> 02:21:26,780
reflecting directly the the

3000
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:29,620
constellation Orion in an exact pattern

3001
02:21:34,420 --> 02:21:32,720
one-to-one correlation how fascinating

3002
02:21:35,650 --> 02:21:34,430
that we're trying to look at these

3003
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:35,660
correlations

3004
02:21:39,460 --> 02:21:37,130
so do we assume them that they were

3005
02:21:40,270 --> 02:21:39,470
interactions between these peoples there

3006
02:21:42,761 --> 02:21:40,280
had to be right

3007
02:21:44,710 --> 02:21:42,771
well the Hopi believe that they they

3008
02:21:47,860 --> 02:21:44,720
migrated before they settled on the

3009
02:21:49,660 --> 02:21:47,870
three bases where they now live they

3010
02:21:52,180 --> 02:21:49,670
came up out of the Grand Canyon and they

3011
02:21:55,240 --> 02:21:52,190
started on a series of migrations all

3012
02:21:58,960 --> 02:21:55,250
around the continent they have legends

3013
02:22:01,511 --> 02:21:58,970
of migrating up into Canada and in fact

3014
02:22:04,060 --> 02:22:01,521
there have been petroglyphs snake

3015
02:22:07,180 --> 02:22:04,070
petroglyphs that the hopi claimed that

3016
02:22:10,030 --> 02:22:07,190
the snake clan built are carved I'm

3017
02:22:11,310 --> 02:22:10,040
sorry they carved these petroglyphs in

3018
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:11,320
Alberta Canada

3019
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:14,210
so the hopi went far up into the north

3020
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:16,970
the Hopi traveled down into Mexico and

3021
02:22:22,930 --> 02:22:20,090
Central America and interacted with the

3022
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:22,940
Maya people in fact some of this some

3023
02:22:26,650 --> 02:22:24,800
claim that the Maya are merely the the

3024
02:22:28,810 --> 02:22:26,660
people who never made it back up this

3025
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:28,820
way that's what grandfather Martin told

3026
02:22:31,810 --> 02:22:30,410
me he says oh the Maya they're just

3027
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:31,820
hoping that went south and they forgot

3028
02:22:36,910 --> 02:22:34,250
to come back yeah yeah and you know you

3029
02:22:38,860 --> 02:22:36,920
see you see a lot of correlations the

3030
02:22:41,261 --> 02:22:38,870
idea of world ages as we talked about

3031
02:22:45,070 --> 02:22:41,271
earlier the Maya have it and I hope you

3032
02:22:47,020 --> 02:22:45,080
have it the Aztecs also had it but the

3033
02:22:51,341 --> 02:22:47,030
hopi travelled also to the east coast

3034
02:22:54,040 --> 02:22:51,351
and they have a myth about a hard beings

3035
02:22:57,460 --> 02:22:54,050
woman is called having a kiva in the

3036
02:22:59,591 --> 02:22:57,470
Atlantic Ocean okay and her sister as a

3037
02:23:03,940 --> 02:22:59,601
Kiva in the Pacific Ocean so that they

3038
02:23:06,580 --> 02:23:03,950
traveled to both oceans and there's some

3039
02:23:10,631 --> 02:23:06,590
say that the Hopi snake land built

3040
02:23:13,930 --> 02:23:10,641
Serpent Mound in southern Ohio so the

3041
02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:13,940
hopi went all over and you know so they

3042
02:23:18,870 --> 02:23:16,130
definitely went up into the into the

3043
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:18,880
lakota territory in south dakota and

3044
02:23:26,051 --> 02:23:23,450
just made kind of a spiral migration

3045
02:23:28,180 --> 02:23:26,061
until they finally came around to the

3046
02:23:30,341 --> 02:23:28,190
center of the world that they call it a

3047
02:23:33,940 --> 02:23:30,351
tuwana saavy the center of the earth

3048
02:23:36,761 --> 02:23:33,950
which is the Hopi mesas fat it's a

3049
02:23:38,710 --> 02:23:36,771
fascinating subject Gary big fan of work

3050
02:23:41,470 --> 02:23:38,720
and I do recommend your books highly to

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02:23:44,650 --> 02:23:41,480
para cast listeners and what do you have

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on tap for future projects uh are you

3053
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already researching some new new stuff

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or you know that

3055
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a recent book I could have worked on it

3056
02:23:56,620 --> 02:23:53,660
another six months really I worked hard

3057
02:24:00,131 --> 02:23:56,630
on it and my publisher David Childress

3058
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wanted to get it out so was working 812

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hours a day so you got the book out

3060
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we'll talk more about that book and

3061
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possible future plans coming up let me

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remind you that we have lots of stuff

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coming up we of course have the para

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you're in the para cast Kerri you were

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saying that you got the book out a few

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months maybe earlier than you might have

3178
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wanted to do it so what material is

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there not present in the book that maybe

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you could have included had you had six

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more months well I could have refined

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what was already there I did some

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research on genetic material which is

3184
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very difficult stuff and basically in

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this most recent book I have a theory

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that a certain genetic trait of albinism

3187
02:29:32,230 --> 02:29:29,601
was carried across the ocean the Hopi

3188
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:32,240
have also had the myths of going across

3189
02:29:38,831 --> 02:29:35,690
the ocean on reed rafts to escape a

3190
02:29:41,321 --> 02:29:38,841
great flood okay they came from

3191
02:29:44,261 --> 02:29:41,331
Polynesia across the Pacific and then

3192
02:29:46,650 --> 02:29:44,271
when they went island hopping across the

3193
02:29:50,381 --> 02:29:46,660
ocean and came to the western shore of

3194
02:29:52,451 --> 02:29:50,391
America and then they went up the

3195
02:29:56,861 --> 02:29:52,461
Colorado River and populated the

3196
02:29:59,951 --> 02:29:56,871
Colorado Plateau in Arizona but I tried

3197
02:30:04,211 --> 02:29:59,961
to verify this with genetics and I think

3198
02:30:07,390 --> 02:30:04,221
I have a link with albinism or albinos

3199
02:30:09,791 --> 02:30:07,400
there's a very high rate of albinos in

3200
02:30:12,461 --> 02:30:09,801
the Hopi culture and also the Zuni

3201
02:30:16,001 --> 02:30:12,471
culture it's also a very high rate of

3202
02:30:18,961 --> 02:30:16,011
albinos in Polynesia

3203
02:30:21,821 --> 02:30:18,971
much higher than the population at large

3204
02:30:22,859 --> 02:30:21,831
so I think there might be a genetic link

3205
02:30:29,010 --> 02:30:22,869
that

3206
02:30:32,039 --> 02:30:29,020
Hopi have and there's some other genetic

3207
02:30:35,369 --> 02:30:32,049
things that I won't get into but I think

3208
02:30:37,919 --> 02:30:35,379
the way we can prove these things now is

3209
02:30:41,819 --> 02:30:37,929
through genetics the the migration

3210
02:30:43,349 --> 02:30:41,829
processes can be verified these legends

3211
02:30:49,199 --> 02:30:43,359
these ancient legends can't be verified

3212
02:30:51,749 --> 02:30:49,209
with genetic variations over time is

3213
02:30:54,269 --> 02:30:51,759
there reason to think that any of these

3214
02:30:57,209 --> 02:30:54,279
peoples were descended from these other

3215
02:31:00,209 --> 02:30:57,219
mysterious races somehow well there's

3216
02:31:04,169 --> 02:31:00,219
the concept of Lemuria or the continent

3217
02:31:08,340 --> 02:31:04,179
of MU and a guy named James Church word

3218
02:31:11,429 --> 02:31:08,350
had this theory that the people living

3219
02:31:15,269 --> 02:31:11,439
on this this ancient continent that was

3220
02:31:17,729 --> 02:31:15,279
in the Pacific they migrated to the west

3221
02:31:19,499 --> 02:31:17,739
coast of America and the he called them

3222
02:31:22,289 --> 02:31:19,509
the cliff dwellers in the southwest

3223
02:31:25,229 --> 02:31:22,299
that's obviously the Anasazi or the what

3224
02:31:27,809 --> 02:31:25,239
we call his dots you know they were the

3225
02:31:31,260 --> 02:31:27,819
last wave of this of these people that

3226
02:31:35,969 --> 02:31:31,270
escaped this this whole continent of MU

3227
02:31:38,929 --> 02:31:35,979
and traveled to the west coast and to

3228
02:31:42,419 --> 02:31:38,939
verify this edgar cayce also talks about

3229
02:31:46,019 --> 02:31:42,429
some of his the readings that he did for

3230
02:31:49,079 --> 02:31:46,029
people the past lives were in Lemuria

3231
02:31:52,019 --> 02:31:49,089
and they moved to the southwestern

3232
02:31:54,569 --> 02:31:52,029
United States to Arizona in particular

3233
02:31:57,479 --> 02:31:54,579
you mentioned that in a couple different

3234
02:32:00,659 --> 02:31:57,489
readings so you know Church word and KC

3235
02:32:03,659 --> 02:32:00,669
both verified this this eastward

3236
02:32:06,300 --> 02:32:03,669
migration from the Pacific to the west

3237
02:32:08,760 --> 02:32:06,310
coast and I tried to try to prove this

3238
02:32:10,289 --> 02:32:08,770
genetically and you know I just got

3239
02:32:13,050 --> 02:32:10,299
started on this there there might be

3240
02:32:14,969 --> 02:32:13,060
more more work to be done on that well

3241
02:32:16,139 --> 02:32:14,979
the other thing here what about Atlantis

3242
02:32:19,889 --> 02:32:16,149
and these other ancient civilizations

3243
02:32:21,269 --> 02:32:19,899
aren't there several of these well there

3244
02:32:24,329 --> 02:32:21,279
are so many books written about Atlantis

3245
02:32:26,399 --> 02:32:24,339
you know you don't really know what to

3246
02:32:28,709 --> 02:32:26,409
believe was it in it was it on the South

3247
02:32:31,590 --> 02:32:28,719
Pole or was it the island of Serra in

3248
02:32:32,129 --> 02:32:31,600
the Mediterranean you know I'm really

3249
02:32:34,679 --> 02:32:32,139
not sure

3250
02:32:36,750 --> 02:32:34,689
it's it's been found on every continent

3251
02:32:39,630 --> 02:32:36,760
you know Atlantis has been

3252
02:32:43,740 --> 02:32:39,640
located on every continent in the world

3253
02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:43,750
so you know I'm sure there was a huge

3254
02:32:49,860 --> 02:32:47,770
global flood a deluge because so many

3255
02:32:52,769 --> 02:32:49,870
cultures around the world have the

3256
02:32:54,660 --> 02:32:52,779
similar flood myths you know the the

3257
02:32:56,639 --> 02:32:54,670
Sumerians had it and of course the

3258
02:32:58,920 --> 02:32:56,649
Christian the Christian Bible talks

3259
02:33:00,960 --> 02:32:58,930
about it and a lot of Native American

3260
02:33:06,900 --> 02:33:00,970
cultures talk about this huge flood that

3261
02:33:10,410 --> 02:33:06,910
destroyed the world basically and it's

3262
02:33:15,269 --> 02:33:10,420
proven that the the level of the oceans

3263
02:33:22,110 --> 02:33:15,279
have have risen something like a hundred

3264
02:33:24,990 --> 02:33:22,120
metres or so it was once much much lower

3265
02:33:27,809 --> 02:33:25,000
and a lot of cities were lost among the

3266
02:33:29,910 --> 02:33:27,819
coastlines for sure but whether or not

3267
02:33:33,210 --> 02:33:29,920
an actual continent sunk into the

3268
02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:33,220
Atlantic or the Pacific it's it's hard

3269
02:33:38,610 --> 02:33:36,010
to say you know most scientists kind of

3270
02:33:40,650 --> 02:33:38,620
disavow this this notion of continents

3271
02:33:43,950 --> 02:33:40,660
you know falling to the bottom of the

3272
02:33:46,889 --> 02:33:43,960
ocean isn't it though they don't want to

3273
02:33:48,929 --> 02:33:46,899
admit we could possibly have had ancient

3274
02:33:52,139 --> 02:33:48,939
civilizations that were as advanced as

3275
02:33:54,660 --> 02:33:52,149
we are so to speak or more advanced yeah

3276
02:33:57,389 --> 02:33:54,670
I think that's true I mean with there's

3277
02:33:59,670 --> 02:33:57,399
kind of a a temporal chauvinism that you

3278
02:34:01,650 --> 02:33:59,680
know we're the best were we're the best

3279
02:34:05,040 --> 02:34:01,660
on the block and we were the highest

3280
02:34:07,080 --> 02:34:05,050
degree of evolution and there's been no

3281
02:34:09,030 --> 02:34:07,090
cultures that have been higher than ours

3282
02:34:12,019 --> 02:34:09,040
but you know people like Graham Hancock

3283
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:12,029
talk talked about the lost civilizations

3284
02:34:18,150 --> 02:34:15,130
lost you know ten thousand years ago or

3285
02:34:21,929 --> 02:34:18,160
so twelve thousand years ago with this

3286
02:34:24,719 --> 02:34:21,939
great great flood at the end of the Ice

3287
02:34:27,570 --> 02:34:24,729
Age so I think a lot more people are

3288
02:34:30,929 --> 02:34:27,580
exploring this idea of a lost

3289
02:34:35,160 --> 02:34:30,939
civilization than then heretofore were

3290
02:34:37,019 --> 02:34:35,170
you know discussed do we think it's

3291
02:34:40,050 --> 02:34:37,029
several civilizations are just one with

3292
02:34:42,900 --> 02:34:40,060
different names well I think you know

3293
02:34:44,099 --> 02:34:42,910
it's um well it's hard to say I mean

3294
02:34:46,429 --> 02:34:44,109
there might have been different groups

3295
02:34:48,330 --> 02:34:46,439
scattered around the globe that had

3296
02:34:50,100 --> 02:34:48,340
affiliations with each other especially

3297
02:34:51,870 --> 02:34:50,110
if you

3298
02:34:56,581 --> 02:34:51,880
she acknowledged the notion that there

3299
02:34:59,041 --> 02:34:56,591
were these flying craft that could get

3300
02:35:01,140 --> 02:34:59,051
around pretty easily you know the the

3301
02:35:04,110 --> 02:35:01,150
Hindus talk about the Vimanas and the

3302
02:35:06,211 --> 02:35:04,120
Hopi talk about pah to Votto or the

3303
02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:06,221
flying shields that existed in the

3304
02:35:12,020 --> 02:35:09,130
previous age so there might have been

3305
02:35:15,990 --> 02:35:12,030
air travel during that during that time

3306
02:35:20,930 --> 02:35:16,000
it's if these legends are true you know

3307
02:35:23,430 --> 02:35:20,940
if they're not just fancy fanciful ideas

3308
02:35:26,190 --> 02:35:23,440
but if they're actually history then

3309
02:35:29,581 --> 02:35:26,200
then air travel could have been achieved

3310
02:35:32,730 --> 02:35:29,591
back in ancient times always in that

3311
02:35:33,770 --> 02:35:32,740
fascinating if we can only prove it how

3312
02:35:36,900 --> 02:35:33,780
do we prove it

3313
02:35:38,490 --> 02:35:36,910
well we unless we find one at the bottom

3314
02:35:42,591 --> 02:35:38,500
of the ocean or something and I don't

3315
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:42,601
think we can you know it's hard to prove

3316
02:35:47,761 --> 02:35:45,370
legends that are thousands of years old

3317
02:35:50,671 --> 02:35:47,771
you know prove them in an empirical

3318
02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:50,681
sense it's like it's hard to prove the

3319
02:35:56,100 --> 02:35:53,410
UFOs you know unless you have a piece of

3320
02:35:58,410 --> 02:35:56,110
one or something well the thing I also

3321
02:36:01,770 --> 02:35:58,420
wonder about here whether what might

3322
02:36:03,870 --> 02:36:01,780
also be the situation is that were these

3323
02:36:08,671 --> 02:36:03,880
ancient civilizations physically on

3324
02:36:12,600 --> 02:36:08,681
earth or were they somewhere else well I

3325
02:36:18,421 --> 02:36:12,610
think they were on earth the the I think

3326
02:36:20,461 --> 02:36:18,431
these star beings came here from from

3327
02:36:24,180 --> 02:36:20,471
distant places and and my books go in to

3328
02:36:27,990 --> 02:36:24,190
certain hypotheses about where where the

3329
02:36:30,150 --> 02:36:28,000
star beings could could come from but I

3330
02:36:33,900 --> 02:36:30,160
think that they came to this planet and

3331
02:36:37,770 --> 02:36:33,910
assisted us in our in our development as

3332
02:36:40,980 --> 02:36:37,780
as a civilization and assisted in

3333
02:36:44,011 --> 02:36:40,990
various ways and these are interpreted

3334
02:36:46,620 --> 02:36:44,021
as gods you know these these creatures

3335
02:36:48,450 --> 02:36:46,630
these what I think of as maybe

3336
02:36:51,301 --> 02:36:48,460
interdimensional creatures coming

3337
02:36:53,850 --> 02:36:51,311
through through through a kind of

3338
02:36:56,450 --> 02:36:53,860
wormhole or something and in interacting

3339
02:36:59,421 --> 02:36:56,460
with us here on earth

3340
02:37:02,581 --> 02:36:59,431
mmm again how do we prove any of that

3341
02:37:03,690 --> 02:37:02,591
it's all speculation and like I say I'm

3342
02:37:03,921 --> 02:37:03,700
not a scientist

3343
02:37:09,591 --> 02:37:03,931
I

3344
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:09,601
just entertain these ideas and put them

3345
02:37:15,081 --> 02:37:12,240
out there in hopes that that will take

3346
02:37:17,451 --> 02:37:15,091
people some somewhere and give them

3347
02:37:19,341 --> 02:37:17,461
certain meaning in their own in their

3348
02:37:21,591 --> 02:37:19,351
own journey in their own intellectual or

3349
02:37:23,901 --> 02:37:21,601
pursuits right and inspire others to

3350
02:37:26,810 --> 02:37:23,911
pick up the torch and carry forward get

3351
02:37:30,020 --> 02:37:26,820
the ball down the field right yeah we're

3352
02:37:33,261 --> 02:37:30,030
not going to get the type of empirical

3353
02:37:36,470 --> 02:37:33,271
proof that that skeptics demand you know

3354
02:37:39,111 --> 02:37:36,480
the skeptics or or debunkers demand you

3355
02:37:42,230 --> 02:37:39,121
know but if we if we entertain these

3356
02:37:46,121 --> 02:37:42,240
ideas as not far-fetched you're the the

3357
02:37:49,100 --> 02:37:46,131
magic of today to tomorrow will be

3358
02:37:50,661 --> 02:37:49,110
probable science you know Gary David

3359
02:37:53,961 --> 02:37:50,671
where do we find more of the things you

3360
02:37:59,301 --> 02:37:53,971
do okay my website is the Orion zone

3361
02:38:02,151 --> 02:37:59,311
calm that th e o RI o end zone calm and

3362
02:38:05,930 --> 02:38:02,161
you can read about my books descriptions

3363
02:38:08,661 --> 02:38:05,940
of the four books I have out and you can

3364
02:38:10,821 --> 02:38:08,671
order from that website or you can get

3365
02:38:13,551 --> 02:38:10,831
my books from Adventures unlimited press

3366
02:38:15,501 --> 02:38:13,561
and you can get them at Amazon Barnes

3367
02:38:18,381 --> 02:38:15,511
and Noble a couple of the books are in

3368
02:38:20,331 --> 02:38:18,391
Kindle editions they're available pretty

3369
02:38:23,060 --> 02:38:20,341
much everywhere and there's a lot of

3370
02:38:25,791 --> 02:38:23,070
free information on my website I've got

3371
02:38:28,491 --> 02:38:25,801
essays I've got maps that you can see

3372
02:38:30,411 --> 02:38:28,501
the the Orion correlation in Arizona for

3373
02:38:32,600 --> 02:38:30,421
instance excellent we look forward to

3374
02:38:34,970 --> 02:38:32,610
checking out that site Chris if Ryan's

3375
02:38:37,461 --> 02:38:34,980
got a site to our strange planet both

3376
02:38:39,770 --> 02:38:37,471
comets our strange planet calm you can

3377
02:38:43,071 --> 02:38:39,780
find us on Twitter where we are known as

3378
02:38:45,501 --> 02:38:43,081
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3379
02:38:47,390 --> 02:38:45,511
the power cast calm gary david thanks

3380
02:38:55,090 --> 02:38:47,400
for joining us this week on the power

3381
02:39:01,520 --> 02:38:58,610
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3382
02:39:04,480 --> 02:39:01,530
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3383
02:39:08,210 --> 02:39:04,490
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